HDTVs with RCA inputs?

[Patty Winter]

I have a several-year-old 32" (or thereabouts) Sharp HDTV that
has served me well, but work has picked up recently and I may
have enough extra money soon to buy a larger TV. But...I realized
that I still have a bunch of components (Sony HDD/DVD recorder,
all-region DVD player, etc.) that do not have HDMI ports.

Also, I get annoyed with HDMI connections when I can't just use
the CC button on the TV remote control to turn closed captioning
on and off. (It's annoying to have to go through the menu of the
source device.)

So...are there any good HDTVs these days in the 40-inch range that
still have composite inputs?

Yeah, that's what I thought. :-)


Patty

[meagain]

PHILLIPS

look for one with s-video and it should have composite as well.

Post by Patty Winter
I have a several-year-old 32" (or thereabouts) Sharp HDTV that
has served me well, but work has picked up recently and I may
have enough extra money soon to buy a larger TV. But...I realized
that I still have a bunch of components (Sony HDD/DVD recorder,
all-region DVD player, etc.) that do not have HDMI ports.
Also, I get annoyed with HDMI connections when I can't just use
the CC button on the TV remote control to turn closed captioning
on and off. (It's annoying to have to go through the menu of the
source device.)
So...are there any good HDTVs these days in the 40-inch range that
still have composite inputs?
Yeah, that's what I thought. :-)
Patty

[Patty Winter]

Post by meagain
PHILLIPS
look for one with s-video and it should have composite as well.

Thanks, I'll check those out!


Patty

[UCLAN]

Post by Patty Winter
I have a several-year-old 32" (or thereabouts) Sharp HDTV that
has served me well, but work has picked up recently and I may
have enough extra money soon to buy a larger TV. But...I realized
that I still have a bunch of components (Sony HDD/DVD recorder,
all-region DVD player, etc.) that do not have HDMI ports.
Also, I get annoyed with HDMI connections when I can't just use
the CC button on the TV remote control to turn closed captioning
on and off. (It's annoying to have to go through the menu of the
source device.)
So...are there any good HDTVs these days in the 40-inch range that
still have composite inputs?

Of course you realize that you won't have HD on a composite input, right?

That being said, most Sony HDTVs still have composite inputs.

Post by Patty Winter
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666519667

[http://tinyurl.com/nlmummk]

[Patty Winter]

Post by UCLAN
Of course you realize that you won't have HD on a composite input, right?

Well, yeah, like I said, I'm trying to support legacy components.
They don't even generate HD signals, so it's not as though I'm
going to lose anything along the line.

Post by UCLAN
That being said, most Sony HDTVs still have composite inputs.

Thanks!


Patty

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by Patty Winter
So...are there any good HDTVs these days in the 40-inch range that
still have composite inputs?

You're lucky to get HDMI inputs.

[the dog from that film you saw]

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by Patty Winter
So...are there any good HDTVs these days in the 40-inch range that
still have composite inputs?

You're lucky to get HDMI inputs.

not seen a hdtv without hdmi inputs for years - who would make such a thing?

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by the dog from that film you saw

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
You're lucky to get HDMI inputs.

not seen a hdtv without hdmi inputs for years - who would make such a thing?

my point is, modern TVs are coming with fewer and fewer
inputs--including not enough HDMI inputs to cover what's needed.

What will ultimately kill Google Chromecast is that people won't have
anywhere to plug it in.

Ah, cost cutting.

[Ron]

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by the dog from that film you saw

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
You're lucky to get HDMI inputs.

not seen a hdtv without hdmi inputs for years - who would make such a thing?

my point is, modern TVs are coming with fewer and fewer
inputs--including not enough HDMI inputs to cover what's needed.

Got that right.

My 3 yr old Panasonic plasma has coax, 2 component, 3 HDMI, 2 composite
(1 shared with S-video).

My 5? year old Westinghouse LCD has coax, VGA, 2 composite (shared with
S-video), 2 HDMI, and 2 component.

And, it would be nice if laptops still had a little round volume wheel
on the side.

[dmaster]

Post by Ron

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by the dog from that film you saw

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
You're lucky to get HDMI inputs.

not seen a hdtv without hdmi inputs for years - who would make such a thing?

my point is, modern TVs are coming with fewer and fewer
inputs--including not enough HDMI inputs to cover what's needed.

Got that right.
My 3 yr old Panasonic plasma has coax, 2 component, 3 HDMI, 2 composite
(1 shared with S-video).
My 5? year old Westinghouse LCD has coax, VGA, 2 composite (shared with
S-video), 2 HDMI, and 2 component.
And, it would be nice if laptops still had a little round volume wheel
on the side.

My 8? year old Panasonic Plasma has 2 coax, 1 HDMI, 2 component, 3 composite/s-video, and 1 VGA. }:) These days, I really don't care about composite any more. I really wish it had more HDMI ports, though.

The times, they are a'changin'.

Dan (Woj...)

[D. Stussy]

"dmaster" wrote in message news:e1f9aca5-99c8-4805-a788-***@googlegroups.com...
My 8? year old Panasonic Plasma has 2 coax, 1 HDMI, 2 component, 3
composite/s-video, and 1 VGA. }:) These days, I really don't care about
composite any more. I really wish it had more HDMI ports, though.
------------
My 9 year-old TVs (bought 2004) don't even have HDMI, but do have its
equivalent DVI input, along with 2 coax, 2 or 3 component (depending on the
model), 3 composite/S-video inputs, and 1 composite "monitor" output.
There's also an RS-232 serial port on one and a 2-pin jack on the other for
programming software updates.

Newer TVs come with networking - usually a 100-base-T ethernet and wireless
b/g/n (2.4 GHz band only).

[meagain]

Post by dmaster
My 8? year old Panasonic Plasma has 2 coax, 1 HDMI, 2 component, 3 composite/s-video,
and 1 VGA. }:) These days, I really don't care about composite any more. I really
wish it had more HDMI ports, though.
------------
My 9 year-old TVs (bought 2004) don't even have HDMI, but do have its equivalent DVI
input, along with 2 coax, 2 or 3 component (depending on the model), 3
composite/S-video inputs, and 1 composite "monitor" output. There's also an RS-232
serial port on one and a 2-pin jack on the other for programming software updates.
Newer TVs come with networking - usually a 100-base-T ethernet and wireless b/g/n
(2.4 GHz band only).

Just to clarify: DVI is the replacement for VGA.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by dmaster

Post by Ron

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by the dog from that film you saw

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
You're lucky to get HDMI inputs.

not seen a hdtv without hdmi inputs for years - who would make such a thing?

my point is, modern TVs are coming with fewer and fewer
inputs--including not enough HDMI inputs to cover what's needed.

Got that right.
My 3 yr old Panasonic plasma has coax, 2 component, 3 HDMI, 2 composite
(1 shared with S-video).
My 5? year old Westinghouse LCD has coax, VGA, 2 composite (shared with
S-video), 2 HDMI, and 2 component.
And, it would be nice if laptops still had a little round volume wheel
on the side.

My 8? year old Panasonic Plasma has 2 coax, 1 HDMI, 2 component,
3 composite/s-video, and 1 VGA. }:) These days, I really don't
care about composite any more. I really wish it had more HDMI ports, though.
The times, they are a'changin'.

For adding HDMI ports, see this item at Amazon:

http://tinyurl.com/pumxw65

Or if you want to look at more options, here's my search at Amazon:

http://tinyurl.com/p6wvnap

At this time I have no record of which one I bought, but it was like the
first link and did the job nicely.

[Andrew Rossmann]

In article <52470117$0$52779$***@news.sonic.net>, ***@sonic.net
says...

Post by Patty Winter
So...are there any good HDTVs these days in the 40-inch range that
still have composite inputs?

Most TV's still hvae at least one composite input. It may be 'shared'
with a component input. You use just one input of the component instead
of all 3. Most TV's will auto-adjust the signal, but you can usually
override it in one of the menus if needed.

Someone else mentioned S-Video. That is something that is long gone from
most TV's today.

[Steve Stone]

A family member recently purchased a new Panasonic LED backlit TV.
It came with 3 HDMI, two USB, one composite and one component (shared).
No S-Video.
It also has a direct wireless Internet feed.

Steve

[John McWilliams]

Post by Patty Winter
I have a several-year-old 32" (or thereabouts) Sharp HDTV that
has served me well, but work has picked up recently and I may
have enough extra money soon to buy a larger TV. But...I realized
that I still have a bunch of components (Sony HDD/DVD recorder,
all-region DVD player, etc.) that do not have HDMI ports.
Also, I get annoyed with HDMI connections when I can't just use
the CC button on the TV remote control to turn closed captioning
on and off. (It's annoying to have to go through the menu of the
source device.)
So...are there any good HDTVs these days in the 40-inch range that
still have composite inputs?
Yeah, that's what I thought. :-)

Will your thingamabobs connect via component? Way better picture than
composite.

Good luck!

[Patty Winter]

Post by John McWilliams
Will your thingamabobs connect via component? Way better picture than
composite.

A couple of them might have component jacks. Others I'm sure don't.
Are you saying that I'm more apt to find component inputs than
composite inputs on today's HDTVs? Or perhaps that a TV might
have one or two of each, thus giving me more flexibility in the
connections?


Patty

[Tim]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by John McWilliams
Will your thingamabobs connect via component? Way better picture than
composite.

A couple of them might have component jacks. Others I'm sure don't.
Are you saying that I'm more apt to find component inputs than
composite inputs on today's HDTVs? Or perhaps that a TV might
have one or two of each, thus giving me more flexibility in the
connections?
Patty

Sending composite video to todays HDMI HD TVs is like using 640x480 VGA
on a 24" monitor - not a good use of the resource.

[Patty Winter]

In article <***@69.16.179.23>,
Tim <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

[unneeded quotage delivered]

Post by Tim
Sending composite video to todays HDMI HD TVs is like using 640x480 VGA
on a 24" monitor - not a good use of the resource.

Would you be happier if I set up my 12" Sony CRT in the living
room and connected the older equipment to that?


Patty

[Alan]

Post by Patty Winter
[unneeded quotage delivered]

Post by Tim
Sending composite video to todays HDMI HD TVs is like using 640x480 VGA
on a 24" monitor - not a good use of the resource.

Would you be happier if I set up my 12" Sony CRT in the living
room and connected the older equipment to that?

I think Tim missed the word. A good monitor can do excellently with
composite. For several years after getting a 54 inch Sharp, I fed DVDs
to it with an old Panasonic DVD player with only composite output (no
component on it). Results were excellent. Even with the monitor stretching
the image to 16:9 (and the player set to deal with it appropriately), it
looked very close to what we get with a Blu-Ray feeding a DVD to the set
over HDMI.

It does an excellent job of dealing with chroma separation and bandwidth,
and the luminance bandwidth over composite can be excellent.

Don't assume composite is limited to what arrived with analog OTA, or
from a consumer videotape. The connection can do quite well, and with
modern processing, it can look quite good.

Note: The set is a Sharp, and one of the factors I liked about it when
I got it was its excellent processing of 480i source material. Some other
name brands did not do so well.

Alan

[Patty Winter]

Post by Alan
Note: The set is a Sharp, and one of the factors I liked about it when
I got it was its excellent processing of 480i source material. Some other
name brands did not do so well.

The midsize TV I currently have in the living room is a Sharp that
I bought refurbished from my TV technician after my beloved Sony CRT
died. I've gotten a number of compliments on how good the picture
quality is on it.


Patty

[UCLAN]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Alan
Note: The set is a Sharp, and one of the factors I liked about it when
I got it was its excellent processing of 480i source material. Some other
name brands did not do so well.

The midsize TV I currently have in the living room is a Sharp that
I bought refurbished from my TV technician after my beloved Sony CRT
died. I've gotten a number of compliments on how good the picture
quality is on it.

So, get another Sharp.

http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/HomeEntertainment/LCDTV/Models/LC40LE550U.aspx#overview

Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

[Patty Winter]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter
The midsize TV I currently have in the living room is a Sharp that
I bought refurbished from my TV technician after my beloved Sony CRT
died. I've gotten a number of compliments on how good the picture
quality is on it.

So, get another Sharp.

I'm certainly considering it.

Post by UCLAN
http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/HomeEntertainment/LCDTV/Models/LC40LE550U.aspx#overview

Thanks for the pointer.

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!


Patty

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter
The midsize TV I currently have in the living room is a Sharp that
I bought refurbished from my TV technician after my beloved Sony CRT
died. I've gotten a number of compliments on how good the picture
quality is on it.

So, get another Sharp.

I'm certainly considering it.

Post by UCLAN
http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/HomeEntertainment/LCDTV/Models/LC40LE550U.aspx#overview

Thanks for the pointer.

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Composite video is the yellow input. Component video is the green, red,
and blue inputs. People still use VCRs so TVs with at least one
composite input should be around for a while. I looked at the 40" TVs at
Best Buy (online) and 99% of them have one composite video input.

[meagain]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter
The midsize TV I currently have in the living room is a Sharp that
I bought refurbished from my TV technician after my beloved Sony CRT
died. I've gotten a number of compliments on how good the picture
quality is on it.

So, get another Sharp.

I'm certainly considering it.

Post by UCLAN
http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/HomeEntertainment/LCDTV/Models/LC40LE550U.aspx#overview

Thanks for the pointer.

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Composite video is the yellow input. Component video is the green, red, and blue
inputs. People still use VCRs so TVs with at least one composite input should be
around for a while. I looked at the 40" TVs at Best Buy (online) and 99% of them have
one composite video input.

Is it true that for purposes of using "CC upon Mute" in the TV that
HDMI does Not carry Closed Caption (CC)
composite Does
Component Does

[Patty Winter]

Post by Ron

Post by Patty Winter
That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Composite video is the yellow input. Component video is the green, red,
and blue inputs.

Yes, I know. That's why I said I'd have to buy new cables if I wanted
to use the component connections (for those devices that even have
them, which I'm sure is not everything I own). Or are you saying that
I can somehow connect my composite devices to a TV's component inputs?
Note that if I'm reluctant to buy new cables, I'm even more reluctant
to sink money into an adapter.


Patty

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron

Post by Patty Winter
That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Composite video is the yellow input. Component video is the green, red,
and blue inputs.

Yes, I know. That's why I said I'd have to buy new cables if I wanted
to use the component connections (for those devices that even have
them, which I'm sure is not everything I own). Or are you saying that
I can somehow connect my composite devices to a TV's component inputs?
Note that if I'm reluctant to buy new cables, I'm even more reluctant
to sink money into an adapter.

No I'm not saying that. Does your Sony HDD/DVD recorder DVD player have
component outputs? I'm assuming it does, but I thought you were looking
for a TV with at least one composite input? BTW, I don't know about your
cable/sat company but my cable company will give you cables free of
charge. They don't even mark them down as eqt when they give them to you
so you can keep them.

[Ron]

Post by Ron

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron

Post by Patty Winter
That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Composite video is the yellow input. Component video is the green, red,
and blue inputs.

Yes, I know. That's why I said I'd have to buy new cables if I wanted
to use the component connections (for those devices that even have
them, which I'm sure is not everything I own). Or are you saying that
I can somehow connect my composite devices to a TV's component inputs?
Note that if I'm reluctant to buy new cables, I'm even more reluctant
to sink money into an adapter.

No I'm not saying that. Does your Sony HDD/DVD recorder DVD player have
component outputs? I'm assuming it does, but I thought you were looking
for a TV with at least one composite input? BTW, I don't know about your
cable/sat company but my cable company will give you cables free of
charge. They don't even mark them down as eqt when they give them to you
so you can keep them.

Looking at the back of that TV that UCLAN posted it has what is called a
hybrid component/composite input. Now granted there is only one set of
those inputs, but you can use the yellow input with the green circle
around it for component and composite (green or yellow wire).

[UCLAN]

Looking at the back of that TV that UCLAN posted it has what is called a hybrid
component/composite input. Now granted there is only one set of those inputs,
but you can use the yellow input with the green circle around it for component
and composite (green or yellow wire).

That model also has one standard yellow composite input.

[Ron]

Post by UCLAN

Looking at the back of that TV that UCLAN posted it has what is called a hybrid
component/composite input. Now granted there is only one set of those inputs,
but you can use the yellow input with the green circle around it for component
and composite (green or yellow wire).

That model also has one standard yellow composite input.

Where? In the rear panel pic "input 4" it only has the hybrid.

Even in the specs it says Composite Video Input(s) 1 (switch componet).

Guess you need to email Sharp for the misspell..lol

http://s3.sharpusa.com/product/datasheet/LC40LE550U.pdf

[Patty Winter]

Post by Ron
Even in the specs it says Composite Video Input(s) 1 (switch componet).

I saw that. What does "switch compone[n]t" mean?


Patty

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
Even in the specs it says Composite Video Input(s) 1 (switch componet).

I saw that. What does "switch compone[n]t" mean?

It means that the yellow input with the green circle around it can be
used for the yellow composite or the green component.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
Even in the specs it says Composite Video Input(s) 1 (switch componet).

I saw that. What does "switch compone[n]t" mean?
Patty

It means share with component.

The manual makes it clear enough.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
Even in the specs it says Composite Video Input(s) 1 (switch componet).

I saw that. What does "switch compone[n]t" mean?
Patty

It means share with component.
The manual makes it clear enough.

But *I* didn't make it clear enough :-)

Share in the sense of one or the other, not both. You'd have to unplug
one cable set and plug the other one in.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Patty Winter
I saw that. What does "switch compone[n]t" mean?

It means share with component.
The manual makes it clear enough.

But *I* didn't make it clear enough :-)
Share in the sense of one or the other, not both. You'd have to unplug
one cable set and plug the other one in.

Ah, so you can't plug one device into the composite jacks and
one into the component jacks simultaneously? It's an either/or
situation?


Patty

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Patty Winter
I saw that. What does "switch compone[n]t" mean?

It means share with component.
The manual makes it clear enough.

But *I* didn't make it clear enough :-)
Share in the sense of one or the other, not both. You'd have to unplug
one cable set and plug the other one in.

Ah, so you can't plug one device into the composite jacks and
one into the component jacks simultaneously? It's an either/or
situation?

CORRECT......as I already explained to you at least 3 times. AND, there
are TVs (most of them as I have also pointed out) that have BOTH inputs
composite AND component inputs. Not hybrids. Just look at the Best Buy
website like I did.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Patty Winter
I saw that. What does "switch compone[n]t" mean?

It means share with component.
The manual makes it clear enough.

But *I* didn't make it clear enough :-)
Share in the sense of one or the other, not both. You'd have to unplug
one cable set and plug the other one in.

Ah, so you can't plug one device into the composite jacks and
one into the component jacks simultaneously? It's an either/or
situation?
Patty

Since one jack serves two separate purposes, there is no way to have
both functions active at the same time. I thought I said that: "You'd
have to unplug one cable set and plug the other one in".

Unless you can find a switch with appropriate properties. Then you'd
only have to push a lever, or if you're super lucky, press a button on a
remote. Be sure to get one that switches the audio as well.

I have never seen such a switch, but to be sure, that doesn't mean there
isn't one.

Actually, a component input selector would probably work. I've never
noticed one of those either :-)

[Patty Winter]

Well, I've just spent the past hour browsing retailer and
manufacturer websites, and I can't find a 50" HDTV that
has separate composite and component jacks. :-(

I need composite jacks for the devices I mentioned previously,
and I need a component connection for my DVR so that I can
view closed captions. I do NOT want to turn on CC on the source
device, because then they'll get recorded right onto the DVR.
I want the option of having them on or off--especially if I plan
to archive the program.

There's a nice-looking 60" Sharp Aquos that has two (!) sets
of composite jacks and one set of component jacks. If only
they would put one measly independent set of composite jacks
on their 50" models! I'm starting to growl every time I bring
up the photo of the back of a TV and see five little RC jacks
that would force me to choose between composite and component...


Patty

[UCLAN]

Post by Patty Winter
Well, I've just spent the past hour browsing retailer and
manufacturer websites, and I can't find a 50" HDTV that
has separate composite and component jacks. :-(
I need composite jacks for the devices I mentioned previously,
and I need a component connection for my DVR so that I can
view closed captions. I do NOT want to turn on CC on the source
device, because then they'll get recorded right onto the DVR.
I want the option of having them on or off--especially if I plan
to archive the program.
There's a nice-looking 60" Sharp Aquos that has two (!) sets
of composite jacks and one set of component jacks. If only
they would put one measly independent set of composite jacks
on their 50" models! I'm starting to growl every time I bring
up the photo of the back of a TV and see five little RC jacks
that would force me to choose between composite and component...

I submit:

http://store.sony.com/47-diag-w802a-series-led-internet-tv-zid27-KDL47W802A/cat-27-catid-All-Sony-HD-TVs?_t=pfm%3Dcategory

2 component (1 hybrid)
2 composite (1 hybrid)

Beautiful picture.

[Patty Winter]

Post by UCLAN
http://store.sony.com/47-diag-w802a-series-led-internet-tv-zid27-KDL47W802A/cat-27-catid-All-Sony-HD-TVs?_t=pfm%3Dcategory
2 component (1 hybrid)
2 composite (1 hybrid)
Beautiful picture.

Yeah, something like that without 3D would be great. I did look
at all the 47"-50" models on Sony's website earlier this evening.


Patty

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter
Well, I've just spent the past hour browsing retailer and
manufacturer websites, and I can't find a 50" HDTV that
has separate composite and component jacks. :-(
I need composite jacks for the devices I mentioned previously,
and I need a component connection for my DVR so that I can
view closed captions. I do NOT want to turn on CC on the source
device, because then they'll get recorded right onto the DVR.
I want the option of having them on or off--especially if I plan
to archive the program.
There's a nice-looking 60" Sharp Aquos that has two (!) sets
of composite jacks and one set of component jacks. If only
they would put one measly independent set of composite jacks
on their 50" models! I'm starting to growl every time I bring
up the photo of the back of a TV and see five little RC jacks
that would force me to choose between composite and component...

LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).

http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description

On LG's website they are calling the composite inputs "AV in".

http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50LS4000-led-tv

The release date for this TV is November 13, 2012 so it's almost a year
old just in case that is a concern for you (it wouldn't be for me).

[Patty Winter]

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description
On LG's website they are calling the composite inputs "AV in".
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50LS4000-led-tv
The release date for this TV is November 13, 2012 so it's almost a year
old just in case that is a concern for you (it wouldn't be for me).

Thank you, Ron!!

I was on Walmart's website earlier this evening, but I guess I didn't
scroll down far enough to see the specs on this one. And it didn't turn
up when I searched the LG website because it's in the Discontinued
Products section.

I'm not at all concerned that it's last year's model. That's probably
why it has more composite and component inputs! I think I'm going to
order one of these.


Patty

~

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description
On LG's website they are calling the composite inputs "AV in".
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50LS4000-led-tv
The release date for this TV is November 13, 2012 so it's almost a year
old just in case that is a concern for you (it wouldn't be for me).

Thank you, Ron!!
I was on Walmart's website earlier this evening, but I guess I didn't
scroll down far enough to see the specs on this one. And it didn't turn
up when I searched the LG website because it's in the Discontinued
Products section.
I'm not at all concerned that it's last year's model. That's probably
why it has more composite and component inputs! I think I'm going to
order one of these.

You're welcome.

You're right, hardly any of the 50" TVs have separate component and
composite inputs. Now I'm glad I bought my 50" when I did. It was a '09
model that Panasonic was closing out that I bought in '10.

If you like the one above I wouldn't wait long to get one (plus Walmart
has a 90 day return policy if you don't like it for some reason). When I
bought mine my local Best Buy was supposed to have 3 in stock. When I
got there that had none! So I went to Comp USA (now Tiger Direct) and
they just happened to have a few in stock. I noticed a couple of months
later no one was advertising them anymore. Seems like they only make TVs
for one year now and then come out with a new model.

Same thing with this laptop that I bought back in March. Staples had it
on sale and it also had a HP rebate. I think I got it for about $150.00
less than the original price. After I bought it I discovered it was a
2012 model and it was discontinued about 2 months after I bought it.

Once they discontinue something they go quickly. Speaking of
discontinued, it's a shame that Mitsubishi stopped making TVs and never
really jumped on the flat panel wagon. Not only did Mitsubishi make some
awesome TVs, but they NEVER skimped on the number of inputs and outputs.

[Mutley]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description
On LG's website they are calling the composite inputs "AV in".
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50LS4000-led-tv
The release date for this TV is November 13, 2012 so it's almost a year
old just in case that is a concern for you (it wouldn't be for me).

Thank you, Ron!!
I was on Walmart's website earlier this evening, but I guess I didn't
scroll down far enough to see the specs on this one. And it didn't turn
up when I searched the LG website because it's in the Discontinued
Products section.
I'm not at all concerned that it's last year's model. That's probably
why it has more composite and component inputs! I think I'm going to
order one of these.
Patty
~

Looking at this discussion about analog inputs to modern TVs I wonder
how long we can expect to see NTSC and PAL decoding chips and
software in these new sets as both are now obsolete in the broadcast
world and only out there in the DVD and VCR world..

[UCLAN]

Post by Mutley

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description
On LG's website they are calling the composite inputs "AV in".
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50LS4000-led-tv
The release date for this TV is November 13, 2012 so it's almost a year
old just in case that is a concern for you (it wouldn't be for me).

Thank you, Ron!!
I was on Walmart's website earlier this evening, but I guess I didn't
scroll down far enough to see the specs on this one. And it didn't turn
up when I searched the LG website because it's in the Discontinued
Products section.
I'm not at all concerned that it's last year's model. That's probably
why it has more composite and component inputs! I think I'm going to
order one of these.
Patty
~

Looking at this discussion about analog inputs to modern TVs I wonder
how long we can expect to see NTSC and PAL decoding chips and
software in these new sets as both are now obsolete in the broadcast
world and only out there in the DVD and VCR world..

And NTSC coaxial (Channel 3/4) output on millions of cable STBs in
North America, and those many cable systems that still have analog
tiers.

[Ron]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Mutley

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description
On LG's website they are calling the composite inputs "AV in".
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50LS4000-led-tv
The release date for this TV is November 13, 2012 so it's almost a year
old just in case that is a concern for you (it wouldn't be for me).

Thank you, Ron!!
I was on Walmart's website earlier this evening, but I guess I didn't
scroll down far enough to see the specs on this one. And it didn't turn
up when I searched the LG website because it's in the Discontinued
Products section.
I'm not at all concerned that it's last year's model. That's probably
why it has more composite and component inputs! I think I'm going to
order one of these.
Patty
~

Looking at this discussion about analog inputs to modern TVs I wonder
how long we can expect to see NTSC and PAL decoding chips and
software in these new sets as both are now obsolete in the broadcast
world and only out there in the DVD and VCR world..

And NTSC coaxial (Channel 3/4) output on millions of cable STBs in
North America, and those many cable systems that still have analog
tiers.

Yep, my cable company still does...although just this year at least 2 of
the analog channels are gone. Speed TV (now Fox Sports 1 but it was gone
before the switch) and CMT. Last year a couple of more were removed.
Can't recall what they were right now but I remember my GF being pissed
over one of them. I guess they will slowly remove them 1 by 1 until you
"have" to get a digital box from the cable company.

[Ant]

Post by Ron
Yep, my cable company still does...although just this year at least 2 of
the analog channels are gone. Speed TV (now Fox Sports 1 but it was gone
before the switch) and CMT. Last year a couple of more were removed.
Can't recall what they were right now but I remember my GF being pissed
over one of them. I guess they will slowly remove them 1 by 1 until you
"have" to get a digital box from the cable company.

FCC allowed cable companies to do this. See
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/advisory-analog-cable-television-subscribers
as an example. :(

[Alan]

Post by Mutley

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description
On LG's website they are calling the composite inputs "AV in".
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50LS4000-led-tv
The release date for this TV is November 13, 2012 so it's almost a year
old just in case that is a concern for you (it wouldn't be for me).

Thank you, Ron!!
I was on Walmart's website earlier this evening, but I guess I didn't
scroll down far enough to see the specs on this one. And it didn't turn
up when I searched the LG website because it's in the Discontinued
Products section.
I'm not at all concerned that it's last year's model. That's probably
why it has more composite and component inputs! I think I'm going to
order one of these.
Patty
~

Looking at this discussion about analog inputs to modern TVs I wonder
how long we can expect to see NTSC and PAL decoding chips and
software in these new sets as both are now obsolete in the broadcast
world and only out there in the DVD and VCR world..

Well, the FCC site shows 2890 low power and translator stations operating
in analog, so I expect there may be demand for a while.

Also, the FCC probably has requirements that the set receive and process
NTSC, just as they do for receiving UHF channels and being able to tune the
UHF channels individually. (Remember when UHF was tuned with a knob that
did not have clunks for the individual channels? Or before that, when UHF
wasn't on TV sets?)

There are also a good number of security cameras, other video devices,
and the like that output VHF channel 3/4.

Given that the analog standard reception is probably buried in the same
chip as some other part of the receiver, it will probably be around for a
while.

Alan

[meagain]

Post by Alan

Post by Mutley

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description
On LG's website they are calling the composite inputs "AV in".
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50LS4000-led-tv
The release date for this TV is November 13, 2012 so it's almost a year
old just in case that is a concern for you (it wouldn't be for me).

Thank you, Ron!!
I was on Walmart's website earlier this evening, but I guess I didn't
scroll down far enough to see the specs on this one. And it didn't turn
up when I searched the LG website because it's in the Discontinued
Products section.
I'm not at all concerned that it's last year's model. That's probably
why it has more composite and component inputs! I think I'm going to
order one of these.
Patty
~

Looking at this discussion about analog inputs to modern TVs I wonder
how long we can expect to see NTSC and PAL decoding chips and
software in these new sets as both are now obsolete in the broadcast
world and only out there in the DVD and VCR world..

Well, the FCC site shows 2890 low power and translator stations operating
in analog, so I expect there may be demand for a while.
Also, the FCC probably has requirements that the set receive and process
NTSC, just as they do for receiving UHF channels and being able to tune the
UHF channels individually. (Remember when UHF was tuned with a knob that
did not have clunks for the individual channels? Or before that, when UHF
wasn't on TV sets?)
There are also a good number of security cameras, other video devices,
and the like that output VHF channel 3/4.
Given that the analog standard reception is probably buried in the same
chip as some other part of the receiver, it will probably be around for a
while.
Alan

Exactly! The chip sets include both analog and digital so both capabilities will be
around "for a while" even when not particularly needed, except by those
affectionadoes of antiquity - you know who you are :-)

[Patty Winter]

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description

I picked up this TV last night and got it all hooked up! The 50" size
looks perfect for my living room.

I did hit one little snag: the TV has no RCA audio outputs. So I guess
I need to buy a new receiver and speakers. Oh well, it will give me an
excuse to look for a surround sound system that has wireless rear
speakers; I never did get around to running wires under the house,
so I've been doing without surround sound except for occasionally
when I've run the wires under the rug. :-)


Patty

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description

I picked up this TV last night and got it all hooked up! The 50" size
looks perfect for my living room.
I did hit one little snag: the TV has no RCA audio outputs. So I guess
I need to buy a new receiver and speakers. Oh well, it will give me an
excuse to look for a surround sound system that has wireless rear
speakers; I never did get around to running wires under the house,
so I've been doing without surround sound except for occasionally
when I've run the wires under the rug. :-)
Patty

My TV (a year or two old Sony) has a 1/8" (3.5 mm) stereo jack for audio
out. Just sayin'.

But I looked at your manual. All I see for analog audio out (Page 14 of
the manual) is headphone output (my set has both headphone and line
level outputs). It might work OK...

A digital to analog converter might be cheaper than a whole new set.
That's a guess - I really don't even know if they exist.

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by Gene E. Bloch
But I looked at your manual. All I see for analog audio out (Page 14 of
the manual) is headphone output (my set has both headphone and line
level outputs). It might work OK...

It might work better, since its output should be determined by the TV
remote control...

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by Gene E. Bloch
But I looked at your manual. All I see for analog audio out (Page 14 of
the manual) is headphone output (my set has both headphone and line
level outputs). It might work OK...

It might work better, since its output should be determined by the TV
remote control...

I was more concerned about signal levels and signal quality. Also, if I
were using the earphone output, I'd work hard to find a way to fix its
output level, since my remote is set to use the receiver volume (via
punch-through). I use the line-level analog audio, which is easily set
to fixed output.

Using analog audio is probably not optimum, but neither are my ears. I
do have the capability of using digital audio, but I use the receiver's
tape-out, which listens only to the analog audio inputs, to pipe audio
to other rooms. This tape-out behavior seems to be very common in A/V
receivers.

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
LG 50" LED with 2 component and 2 composite inputs (not hybrids either).
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-50LS4000-50-1080p-120Hz-2D-LED-3.22-ultra-slim-HDTV/21693002#Item+Description

I picked up this TV last night and got it all hooked up! The 50" size
looks perfect for my living room.

Cool! Glad it worked out for you.

Post by Patty Winter
I did hit one little snag: the TV has no RCA audio outputs. So I guess
I need to buy a new receiver and speakers. Oh well, it will give me an
excuse to look for a surround sound system that has wireless rear
speakers; I never did get around to running wires under the house,
so I've been doing without surround sound except for occasionally
when I've run the wires under the rug. :-)

Your receiver doesn't have a digital optical audio input? If so you can
use that. There should be a setting on the TV to use internal and/or
external audio. That way you can use both the receiver or TV for audio.

Another thing you can do is just use the yellow video input(s) on the TV
and use the component(s) yellow video output. Then use the red and white
audio outputs from the component(s) you are hooking up and plug them
directly into the receiver. Using this method you won't be able to use
the TVs internal speakers for whatever component you are using. Just the
receiver only.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Ron

Post by Patty Winter
I did hit one little snag: the TV has no RCA audio outputs. So I guess
I need to buy a new receiver and speakers. Oh well, it will give me an
excuse to look for a surround sound system that has wireless rear
speakers; I never did get around to running wires under the house,
so I've been doing without surround sound except for occasionally
when I've run the wires under the rug. :-)

Your receiver doesn't have a digital optical audio input?

No. The stereo system attached to my TV is a good 20 years old, if
not more. Pre-optical.

Post by Ron
Another thing you can do is just use the yellow video input(s) on the TV
and use the component(s) yellow video output. Then use the red and white
audio outputs from the component(s) you are hooking up and plug them
directly into the receiver. Using this method you won't be able to use
the TVs internal speakers for whatever component you are using. Just the
receiver only.

I kind of lost you there. The component I'm concerned about hooking
up *is* the TV. I already have all my other components directly
connected to the receiver. I usually leave the receiver set to "TV"
so that it automatically plays the audio of whatever source I'm
currently watching on the TV. Otherwise, I have to switch both the
TV and the receiver every time I go from cable to DVD to whatever.
But yes, I could do that. The sound would still come out of the TV's
speakers as well, because all the components are feeding audio to it.


Patty

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron

Post by Patty Winter
I did hit one little snag: the TV has no RCA audio outputs. So I guess
I need to buy a new receiver and speakers. Oh well, it will give me an
excuse to look for a surround sound system that has wireless rear
speakers; I never did get around to running wires under the house,
so I've been doing without surround sound except for occasionally
when I've run the wires under the rug. :-)

Your receiver doesn't have a digital optical audio input?

No. The stereo system attached to my TV is a good 20 years old, if
not more. Pre-optical.

Post by Ron
Another thing you can do is just use the yellow video input(s) on the TV
and use the component(s) yellow video output. Then use the red and white
audio outputs from the component(s) you are hooking up and plug them
directly into the receiver. Using this method you won't be able to use
the TVs internal speakers for whatever component you are using. Just the
receiver only.

I kind of lost you there. The component I'm concerned about hooking
up *is* the TV. I already have all my other components directly
connected to the receiver. I usually leave the receiver set to "TV"
so that it automatically plays the audio of whatever source I'm
currently watching on the TV. Otherwise, I have to switch both the
TV and the receiver every time I go from cable to DVD to whatever.
But yes, I could do that. The sound would still come out of the TV's
speakers as well, because all the components are feeding audio to it.

You didn't lose me I just didn't know if your receiver had a digital
optical audio input which you could use. Since it doesn't, as someone
else suggested, you can use your headphone output with one of these. It
would probably mute the TV so you would have to unplug it to use the
TV's speakers.

http://www.amazon.com/RiteAV-Feet-3-5mm-Stereo-Cable/dp/B000V0G2C4

I had my old big screen (not HD) TV hooked up where everything was
hooked into the TV and then run back into the receiver. Now I have
everything (except my DVR) plugged directly into the receiver.

I have the audio from the DVR running to the TV and the receiver.

[Patty Winter]

I'm looking at a Sony surround-sound system that has wireless
rear speakers. The manual talks about "Preparing for Network
Connection" but doesn't say why you need to connect the system
to a network. Does it have anything to do with the wireless
speakers, or is it just for the home-networking features that
I see mentioned later in the manual? (Even those of you who
don't have Sony systems may have seen similar mentions in your
system manuals and have some idea what this is about.)


Patty

[dmaster]

Post by Patty Winter
I'm looking at a Sony surround-sound system that has wireless
rear speakers. The manual talks about "Preparing for Network
Connection" but doesn't say why you need to connect the system
to a network. Does it have anything to do with the wireless
speakers, or is it just for the home-networking features that
I see mentioned later in the manual? (Even those of you who
don't have Sony systems may have seen similar mentions in your
system manuals and have some idea what this is about.)
Patty

It doesn't have anything to do with the wireless speakers. I'd guess you need to do network setup so you can play Pandora Radio or other internet media sources.

Dan (Woj...)

[Patty Winter]

Post by dmaster
It doesn't have anything to do with the wireless speakers. I'd guess
you need to do network setup so you can play Pandora Radio or other
internet media sources.

Thanks, Dan, that's what I suspected, but as I said, there was no
explanation. :-(


Patty

[Patty Winter]

Post by Patty Winter
I need composite jacks for the devices I mentioned previously,
and I need a component connection for my DVR so that I can
view closed captions. I do NOT want to turn on CC on the source
device, because then they'll get recorded right onto the DVR.
I want the option of having them on or off--especially if I plan
to archive the program.

Well, that hasn't worked out very well. :-( The LG I bought is
not allowing me to turn on CC when I'm viewing the PVR that's
connected via the component jacks. Any idea what happened? I don't
want to have to go looking for another TV that has both composite
and component inputs--it took a while to find this one--but I'm
really upset about losing the ability to control CC from the TV.


Patty

[Wes Newell]

Well, that hasn't worked out very well. :-( The LG I bought is not
allowing me to turn on CC when I'm viewing the PVR that's connected via
the component jacks. Any idea what happened? I don't want to have to go
looking for another TV that has both composite and component inputs--it
took a while to find this one--but I'm really upset about losing the
ability to control CC from the TV.

If you're viewing a recording from the pvr, then CC is controlled by the
pvr. At least that's the way mine works (mythtv). CC is part of the atsc
stream that is recorded. Your pvr must be cc capable. And not all sources
provide CC. The TV in this case is just a dumb monitor and will only
display what it's given.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Wes Newell
If you're viewing a recording from the pvr, then CC is controlled by the
pvr. At least that's the way mine works (mythtv). CC is part of the atsc
stream that is recorded. Your pvr must be cc capable. And not all sources
provide CC. The TV in this case is just a dumb monitor and will only
display what it's given.

Nothing has changed in my system except the TV, so it has to be
something in the TV that is no longer sensing closed captioning
on the component inputs.


Patty

[Wes Newell]

Post by Patty Winter
Nothing has changed in my system except the TV, so it has to be
something in the TV that is no longer sensing closed captioning on the
component inputs.

Composite, component, VGA, hdmi, etc. are just carriers of video data.
They have nothing to do with CC. Something has changed on your PVR.
That's where CC is generated from the original or recorded source stream.
The TV will only generate CC if the source stream is decoded in the TV.
Trying to turn on CC via the TV or TV remote will never work when all it
gets via component inputs is the video data sent from the PVR.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Wes Newell

Post by Patty Winter
Nothing has changed in my system except the TV, so it has to be
something in the TV that is no longer sensing closed captioning on the
component inputs.

Composite, component, VGA, hdmi, etc. are just carriers of video data.
They have nothing to do with CC.

Not true. HDMI does not pass an embedded CC signal. The only way you can
see CC over an HDMI connection is to turn it on in the source device.

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#117

"The TV remote's CC button does not enable/disable CC on HDMI sources.
To enable CC, the user must enable it at the source either through a
source remote control key (i.e. CC button) or by going through the setup
menu of the source. The source will then combine the video content with
the CC information and output that (video + CC) via HDMI to the TV."

Considering that they're just across the freeway, I'm tempted to
go over there and make angry faces at them. :-) But as they say
in their FAQ, I guess it isn't really their fault that the imple-
mentation of CC isn't standardized in digital devices. It's sure
*somebody's* fault, though. FCC?

Post by Wes Newell
Something has changed on your PVR.

Nothing has changed on my PVR. What do you think could even change?
It isn't originating any material.


Patty

[Wes Newell]

Nothing has changed on my PVR. What do you think could even change? It
isn't originating any material.

You've turn off CC some how. Only the source device can generate CC from
the data stream. The TV monitor ports can't generate it. Never has and
never will. Don't believe me? Maybe you'll believe this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_captioning#Incompatibility_issues_with_digital_TV

When CC information is encoded in the MPEG-2 data stream, only the device
that decodes the MPEG-2 data (a source) has access to the closed caption
information; there is no standard for transmitting the CC information to
a display monitor separately. Thus, if there is CC information, the
source device needs to overlay the CC information on the picture prior to
transmitting to the display over the interconnect.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Wes Newell

Nothing has changed on my PVR. What do you think could even change? It
isn't originating any material.

You've turn off CC some how. Only the source device can generate CC from
the data stream. The TV monitor ports can't generate it. Never has and
never will.

Oh for pity's sake! I never said the television was *generating* the
CC! Of course it isn't! But my Sharp TV can decode the CC that's in
the signal coming from the PVR to the TV. I don't have to turn on CC
in my cable box first.


Patty

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Wes Newell

Nothing has changed on my PVR. What do you think could even change? It
isn't originating any material.

You've turn off CC some how. Only the source device can generate CC from
the data stream. The TV monitor ports can't generate it. Never has and
never will.

Oh for pity's sake! I never said the television was *generating* the
CC! Of course it isn't! But my Sharp TV can decode the CC that's in
the signal coming from the PVR to the TV. I don't have to turn on CC
in my cable box first.

Interesting. Unless I turn on CC on my DVR there is no CC.

[Wes Newell]

Oh for pity's sake! I never said the television was *generating* the CC!
Of course it isn't! But my Sharp TV can decode the CC that's in the
signal coming from the PVR to the TV. I don't have to turn on CC in my
cable box first.

Your cable box gets the data stream. it must decode the CC and place it
in the video stream going out the component, composite, vga, or hdmi port
used to send the *video stream* to your tv. CC code is not passed on the
video stream, only the CC text in pixel format is passed. The TV has
absolutely nothing to do with it when the source device is in front of
the TV, unless, and that's a big unless, the source device is passing the
*data stream* to your TV. And it's not. It's that simple.
Now if you bypass the cable box and hook the cable directly to your TV,
select that input for your source, you will get CC that way as long as
your TV supports it and cc is available for that program.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Wes Newell
Your cable box gets the data stream. it must decode the CC and place it
in the video stream going out the component, composite, vga, or hdmi port
used to send the *video stream* to your tv. CC code is not passed on the
video stream, only the CC text in pixel format is passed. The TV has
absolutely nothing to do with it when the source device is in front of
the TV, unless, and that's a big unless, the source device is passing the
*data stream* to your TV. And it's not. It's that simple.

So in your view of things, I was just imagining that I was getting
CC for the past three years. Oooohhkayyyyy....

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Wes Newell

Post by Patty Winter
Nothing has changed in my system except the TV, so it has to be
something in the TV that is no longer sensing closed captioning on the
component inputs.

Composite, component, VGA, hdmi, etc. are just carriers of video data.
They have nothing to do with CC.

Not true. HDMI does not pass an embedded CC signal. The only way you can
see CC over an HDMI connection is to turn it on in the source device.
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#117
"The TV remote's CC button does not enable/disable CC on HDMI sources.
To enable CC, the user must enable it at the source either through a
source remote control key (i.e. CC button) or by going through the setup
menu of the source. The source will then combine the video content with
the CC information and output that (video + CC) via HDMI to the TV."
Considering that they're just across the freeway, I'm tempted to
go over there and make angry faces at them. :-) But as they say
in their FAQ, I guess it isn't really their fault that the imple-
mentation of CC isn't standardized in digital devices. It's sure
*somebody's* fault, though. FCC?

Post by Wes Newell
Something has changed on your PVR.

Nothing has changed on my PVR. What do you think could even change?
It isn't originating any material.

And the source device is your PVR AKA DVR.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Ron
And the source device is your PVR AKA DVR.

The term "DVR" is usually used for those all-in-one boxes that
one gets from a cable or satellite company. They have the decoders
for that company's streams in them. What I have is a simple hard
disk drive and DVD recorder. The only tuners it has are ATSC and QAM.
Otherwise, it's just recording the signal from another device, such
as a cable box. Which is exactly what I use this PVR for--recording
the output of other devices.


Patty

[Ron]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Ron
And the source device is your PVR AKA DVR.

The term "DVR" is usually used for those all-in-one boxes that
one gets from a cable or satellite company. They have the decoders
for that company's streams in them. What I have is a simple hard
disk drive and DVD recorder. The only tuners it has are ATSC and QAM.
Otherwise, it's just recording the signal from another device, such
as a cable box. Which is exactly what I use this PVR for--recording
the output of other devices.

Good lord. Just because you own it which makes it "personal" doesn't
take away from the fact that it is a Digital Video Recorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_video_recorder

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Wes Newell
If you're viewing a recording from the pvr, then CC is controlled by the
pvr. At least that's the way mine works (mythtv). CC is part of the atsc
stream that is recorded. Your pvr must be cc capable. And not all sources
provide CC. The TV in this case is just a dumb monitor and will only
display what it's given.

Nothing has changed in my system except the TV, so it has to be
something in the TV that is no longer sensing closed captioning
on the component inputs.

Leaving me to wonder if you use the same kind of connection to the new
TV as to the old - I've lost track in this thread of 94 replies :-)

For instance, composite vs component or s-video vs HDMI or whatever.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Patty Winter
Nothing has changed in my system except the TV, so it has to be
something in the TV that is no longer sensing closed captioning
on the component inputs.

Leaving me to wonder if you use the same kind of connection to the new
TV as to the old - I've lost track in this thread of 94 replies :-)

:-) Thank you for bringing the discussion back on topic, Gene!

Not only the same *kind* of connection, but the exact same cables.
I removed them from the old TV, took the old TV into the other room,
put up the new TV, and plugged the same cables into it. Hence my
original posting expressing my chagrin that unlike the Sharp, this
LG does not display CC on the component input. (And of course not
on HDMI, either, but I expected that. And of course CC works fine
on the composite input, as it always has. It's just the component
path that's gone wonky on me.)

Post by Gene E. Bloch
For instance, composite vs component or s-video vs HDMI or whatever.

Component.


Patty

[UCLAN]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter
The midsize TV I currently have in the living room is a Sharp that
I bought refurbished from my TV technician after my beloved Sony CRT
died. I've gotten a number of compliments on how good the picture
quality is on it.

So, get another Sharp.

I'm certainly considering it.

Post by UCLAN
http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/HomeEntertainment/LCDTV/Models/LC40LE550U.aspx#overview

Thanks for the pointer.

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Ah, brain cramp. I meant composite. Of the models I've looked at online, SIX
had composite input(s), ZERO did not. Even the new 4K XBR models have
composite input(s).

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666519131#specifications

[ http://tinyurl.com/lugshfp ]

[Patty Winter]

In article <***@mid.individual.net>,
UCLAN <***@invalid.net> wrote:

[snip]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Ah, brain cramp. I meant composite. Of the models I've looked at online, SIX
had composite input(s), ZERO did not. Even the new 4K XBR models have
composite input(s).

Okay, cool!


Patty

[UCLAN]

Post by Patty Winter
[snip]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Ah, brain cramp. I meant composite. Of the models I've looked at online, SIX
had composite input(s), ZERO did not. Even the new 4K XBR models have
composite input(s).

Okay, cool!

Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter
[snip]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

That might be an option with some of my older system components,
but I don't think they all have it. I also hate to sink money into
buying new cables for a technology that's on its way out!

Ah, brain cramp. I meant composite. Of the models I've looked at online, SIX
had composite input(s), ZERO did not. Even the new 4K XBR models have
composite input(s).

Okay, cool!

Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.

According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

[UCLAN]

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN
Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.
According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

And that somehow disqualifies it from being a composite input?

[Ron]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN
Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.
According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

And that somehow disqualifies it from being a composite input?

Depending on how many inputs and how many devices you want to use...yes
it does.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN
Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.
According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

And that somehow disqualifies it from being a composite input?

Did I say that? No, I didn't think so.

It *does* disqualify it from having an independent composite input,
which might to matter to some people.

Do you deny that?

[UCLAN]

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN
Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.
According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

And that somehow disqualifies it from being a composite input?

Did I say that? No, I didn't think so.
It *does* disqualify it from having an independent composite input,
which might to matter to some people.

Yeah, but our OP did not mention needing an *independent* composite input. Not
being *independent* would only be a problem if both component and composite were
needed. No indication that is/was the case.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN
Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.
According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

And that somehow disqualifies it from being a composite input?

Did I say that? No, I didn't think so.
It *does* disqualify it from having an independent composite input,
which might to matter to some people.

Yeah, but our OP did not mention needing an *independent* composite input. Not
being *independent* would only be a problem if both component and composite were
needed. No indication that is/was the case.

But there was also no reason to think that it was harmful to mention the
fact of the combined input, except maybe to your ego.

(Tautology warning) Anyone who was concerned about combined inputs might
like to know about the setup on that TV.

Sorry that you were seemingly offended by my possibly helpful act.

[UCLAN]

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN
Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.
According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

And that somehow disqualifies it from being a composite input?

Did I say that? No, I didn't think so.
It *does* disqualify it from having an independent composite input,
which might to matter to some people.

Yeah, but our OP did not mention needing an *independent* composite input. Not
being *independent* would only be a problem if both component and composite were
needed. No indication that is/was the case.

But there was also no reason to think that it was harmful to mention the
fact of the combined input, except maybe to your ego.
(Tautology warning) Anyone who was concerned about combined inputs might
like to know about the setup on that TV.
Sorry that you were seemingly offended by my possibly helpful act.

Ego? Heh heh. Pot->kettle->black.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN
Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.
According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

And that somehow disqualifies it from being a composite input?

Did I say that? No, I didn't think so.
It *does* disqualify it from having an independent composite input,
which might to matter to some people.

Yeah, but our OP did not mention needing an *independent* composite input. Not
being *independent* would only be a problem if both component and composite were
needed. No indication that is/was the case.

But there was also no reason to think that it was harmful to mention the
fact of the combined input, except maybe to your ego.
(Tautology warning) Anyone who was concerned about combined inputs might
like to know about the setup on that TV.
Sorry that you were seemingly offended by my possibly helpful act.

Ego? Heh heh. Pot->kettle->black.

Yeah, a great cast-iron kettle, well seasoned :-)

[Ron]

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by UCLAN
Just was speaking with a friend who got a ST60 Series Plasma from Panasonic.
They all have a composite input as well.
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/Cat500/Panasonic/2013/Specs/PCEC5667-1_SS_Viera_ST60_Series_LR._V374440911_.pdf

It is shared with component on all four models listed.
According to the manual, the composite goes into the green (Y) jack.

And that somehow disqualifies it from being a composite input?

Did I say that? No, I didn't think so.
It *does* disqualify it from having an independent composite input,
which might to matter to some people.
Do you deny that?

Just thought of something...a person could use a RCA Y splitter for 2
devices on a hybrid input.

[UCLAN]

Just thought of something...a person could use a RCA Y splitter for 2 devices on
a hybrid input.

For video? Not a good idea for many reasons.

[Ron]

Post by UCLAN

Just thought of something...a person could use a RCA Y splitter for 2 devices on
a hybrid input.

For video? Not a good idea for many reasons.

Go ahead list the many reasons.

[UCLAN]

Post by Ron

Post by UCLAN

Just thought of something...a person could use a RCA Y splitter for 2 devices on
a hybrid input.

For video? Not a good idea for many reasons.

Go ahead list the many reasons.

Beside applying the output of Device A to the output of Device B?
Beside the effect that the output impedance of Device A would have on the
output signal of Device B?

Google "video outputs in parallel" for more information.

If you are going to disconnect one end of the cable going to the video
device not being used, then it's OK.

I would instead use a 2->1 switcher, with the switch automatically passing
the active signal.

[Ron]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Ron

Post by UCLAN

Just thought of something...a person could use a RCA Y splitter for 2 devices on
a hybrid input.

For video? Not a good idea for many reasons.

Go ahead list the many reasons.

Beside applying the output of Device A to the output of Device B?
Beside the effect that the output impedance of Device A would have on the
output signal of Device B?
Google "video outputs in parallel" for more information.
If you are going to disconnect one end of the cable going to the video
device not being used, then it's OK.
I would instead use a 2->1 switcher, with the switch automatically passing
the active signal.

Are you saying that one or both input devices might get fried after a
while? AFA picture quality, just for the hell of it I hooked up a DVD
player and a VCR using a splitter to the composite input of a 50" TV and
I couldn't see any picture quality difference. I switched from the
splitter to a single input several times and the picture quality looked
the same to me.

[UCLAN]

Post by UCLAN
If you are going to disconnect one end of the cable going to the video
device not being used, then it's OK.
I would instead use a 2->1 switcher, with the switch automatically passing
the active signal.

Are you saying that one or both input devices might get fried after a while? AFA
picture quality, just for the hell of it I hooked up a DVD player and a VCR
using a splitter to the composite input of a 50" TV and I couldn't see any
picture quality difference. I switched from the splitter to a single input
several times and the picture quality looked the same to me.

I'm not going to get into a "they look the same to me" type of argument with
you. I know people who swear that they see little or no difference between
SD or HD video, or between analog and digital video, or between DVD and BD.
Been there. Done that. If you like the results, do it. Plenty of information
available on the Web on the subject. Read it if you so desire.

[Ron]

Post by UCLAN

Post by UCLAN
If you are going to disconnect one end of the cable going to the video
device not being used, then it's OK.
I would instead use a 2->1 switcher, with the switch automatically passing
the active signal.

Are you saying that one or both input devices might get fried after a while? AFA
picture quality, just for the hell of it I hooked up a DVD player and a VCR
using a splitter to the composite input of a 50" TV and I couldn't see any
picture quality difference. I switched from the splitter to a single input
several times and the picture quality looked the same to me.

I'm not going to get into a "they look the same to me" type of argument with
you. I know people who swear that they see little or no difference between
SD or HD video, or between analog and digital video, or between DVD and BD.
Been there. Done that. If you like the results, do it. Plenty of information
available on the Web on the subject. Read it if you so desire.

Ummmm, I don't need to do it. It was an experiment. And you didn't
answer my question.

[Ron]

Post by Ron

Post by UCLAN

Post by UCLAN
If you are going to disconnect one end of the cable going to the video
device not being used, then it's OK.
I would instead use a 2->1 switcher, with the switch automatically passing
the active signal.

Are you saying that one or both input devices might get fried after a while? AFA
picture quality, just for the hell of it I hooked up a DVD player and a VCR
using a splitter to the composite input of a 50" TV and I couldn't see any
picture quality difference. I switched from the splitter to a single input
several times and the picture quality looked the same to me.

I'm not going to get into a "they look the same to me" type of argument with
you. I know people who swear that they see little or no difference between
SD or HD video, or between analog and digital video, or between DVD and BD.
Been there. Done that. If you like the results, do it. Plenty of information
available on the Web on the subject. Read it if you so desire.

Ummmm, I don't need to do it. It was an experiment. And you didn't
answer my question.

BTW, AFA me not being able to tell the difference in picture quality,
I'm the one that has been asking you for 3 years now why Big Brother has
a slightly better picture on my HD channel than it does on my SD channel.

[UCLAN]

BTW, AFA me not being able to tell the difference in picture quality, I'm the
one that has been asking you for 3 years now why Big Brother has a slightly
better picture on my HD channel than it does on my SD channel.

And for the same length of time, I've been asking you whether your SD channel
is analog or is it digital, if the SD signal is merely a processed version
of the HD channel, and other questions regarding the signals. You seem unable
or unwilling to answer these questions, so I just ignore it...as I will again
now.

[Ron]

Post by UCLAN

BTW, AFA me not being able to tell the difference in picture quality, I'm the
one that has been asking you for 3 years now why Big Brother has a slightly
better picture on my HD channel than it does on my SD channel.

And for the same length of time, I've been asking you whether your SD channel
is analog or is it digital, if the SD signal is merely a processed version
of the HD channel, and other questions regarding the signals. You seem unable
or unwilling to answer these questions, so I just ignore it...as I will again
now.

I told you just last month that it was DIGITAL......sheesh.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Ron

Post by UCLAN

Just thought of something...a person could use a RCA Y splitter for 2 devices on
a hybrid input.

For video? Not a good idea for many reasons.

Go ahead list the many reasons.

Even when one line is turned off, there will be an impedance mismatch,
which will mess up the other signal.

You would need to provide Y connectors for the audio inputs as well, but
audio signals are not very sensitive to this problem.

[Ron]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Alan
Note: The set is a Sharp, and one of the factors I liked about it when
I got it was its excellent processing of 480i source material. Some other
name brands did not do so well.

The midsize TV I currently have in the living room is a Sharp that
I bought refurbished from my TV technician after my beloved Sony CRT
died. I've gotten a number of compliments on how good the picture
quality is on it.

So, get another Sharp.
http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/HomeEntertainment/LCDTV/Models/LC40LE550U.aspx#overview
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

She is looking for a TV with composite input(s).

[UCLAN]

Post by Ron

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

She is looking for a TV with composite input(s).

I know...I know. I mistyped. Meant composite.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by UCLAN

Post by Ron

Post by UCLAN
Seriously, I'm finding that most current HDTVs *DO* have component input(s).

She is looking for a TV with composite input(s).

I know...I know. I mistyped. Meant composite.

I always have to think twice, and sometimes three times, to keep that
straight.

For me it doesn't help that I'm an amateur linguist of sorts, since
component comes from the present participle and composite from the past
participle of the same Latin verb, componere, to put together.

[G-squared]

Post by Tim

Post by Patty Winter

Post by John McWilliams
Will your thingamabobs connect via component? Way better picture than
composite.

A couple of them might have component jacks. Others I'm sure don't.
Are you saying that I'm more apt to find component inputs than
composite inputs on today's HDTVs? Or perhaps that a TV might
have one or two of each, thus giving me more flexibility in the
connections?
Patty

Sending composite video to todays HDMI HD TVs is like using 640x480 VGA
on a 24" monitor - not a good use of the resource.

If I want to watch a show and it's only std def, I shouldn't watch it because you don't like my TV usage?

G²