Discussion:
External drive for DVR
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a***@wind.net
2013-07-26 03:52:51 UTC
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If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
Gene E. Bloch
2013-07-26 04:14:43 UTC
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Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
I have no definitive answer, except that some years ago I was able to
copy from some DVR (maybe it was a ReplayTV) to my computer, but today I
can't copy from my Comcast DVR to a computer.

How I found this was to Google, where I found relevant articles and
forums, and after a lot of study I could do it with the ReplayTV. The
same process with the Comcast led to a dead end.

Actually, I can copy from the Comcast to a computer using a high-def RGB
capture device. Basically I play the file on the cable box and record it
on the computer.

The results can be good or lousy. I had adequate results with a Roxio
Game Capture HD PRO and poor to awful results with everything else I
tried.

Of course, YMMV.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-07-26 05:07:18 UTC
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Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
In my experience, no. However, the content originally recorded on the
internal drive will still be there if you decide to switch back to
using the internal drive.
Bill Skaggs
2013-07-26 13:18:35 UTC
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Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
In my experience, no. However, the content originally recorded on the
internal drive will still be there if you decide to switch back to
using the internal drive.
I don't know how the DirecTV DVR works, but on a TiVo, the main and external
drives are married together with all the indexing stored on the main drive.
If the external drive is disconnected or you try to reboot without it, you
get a warning that all the recordings on it will be lost. My understanding
is that any recording that is completely stored on the Main drive is not
effected.

As far as I know, no one has ever found a way to recover them.
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-07-26 13:43:07 UTC
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Post by Bill Skaggs
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
In my experience, no. However, the content originally recorded on the
internal drive will still be there if you decide to switch back to
using the internal drive.
I don't know how the DirecTV DVR works, but on a TiVo, the main and external
drives are married together with all the indexing stored on the main drive.
If the external drive is disconnected or you try to reboot without it, you
get a warning that all the recordings on it will be lost. My understanding
is that any recording that is completely stored on the Main drive is not
effected.
As far as I know, no one has ever found a way to recover them.
Interesting, but that's not the way my DirecTV DVRs work. I have two
HR-20's and an HR-21, and I've switched from external to internal and
back several times, and both models retain the content recorded on
either the internal or the external drive. Moreover I recently learned
(from a post in this group) that you can move an external drive from
one unit to another and retain the content as well.

BTW, before HD became the norm, it was fairly common to modify the OS
of the DirecTV SD Tivo drives to enable transfer of content from one
DirecTivo to another, or to a computer. Has that "hack" been enabled
for the HD models?
John McWilliams
2013-07-28 16:55:40 UTC
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Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Interesting, but that's not the way my DirecTV DVRs work. I have two
HR-20's and an HR-21, and I've switched from external to internal and
back several times, and both models retain the content recorded on
either the internal or the external drive. Moreover I recently learned
(from a post in this group) that you can move an external drive from
one unit to another and retain the content as well.
No!! Don't try, as moving an external HD from one DVR to another will
reformat the external, and all content will be lost.

Who in the world posted that one could safely do that??
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-07-28 23:24:05 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:55:40 -0700, John McWilliams
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Interesting, but that's not the way my DirecTV DVRs work. I have two
HR-20's and an HR-21, and I've switched from external to internal and
back several times, and both models retain the content recorded on
either the internal or the external drive. Moreover I recently learned
(from a post in this group) that you can move an external drive from
one unit to another and retain the content as well.
No!! Don't try, as moving an external HD from one DVR to another will
reformat the external, and all content will be lost.
Who in the world posted that one could safely do that??
I don't remember who posted that it would work, but I doubted it too,
so I tried it with one of my "spares" and it does work! ( I keep a
clone "spare" of each of my DVR drives, so all I would have lost was
the backup.)
John McWilliams
2013-07-29 20:58:09 UTC
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Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:55:40 -0700, John McWilliams
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Interesting, but that's not the way my DirecTV DVRs work. I have two
HR-20's and an HR-21, and I've switched from external to internal and
back several times, and both models retain the content recorded on
either the internal or the external drive. Moreover I recently learned
(from a post in this group) that you can move an external drive from
one unit to another and retain the content as well.
No!! Don't try, as moving an external HD from one DVR to another will
reformat the external, and all content will be lost.
Who in the world posted that one could safely do that??
I don't remember who posted that it would work, but I doubted it too,
so I tried it with one of my "spares" and it does work! ( I keep a
clone "spare" of each of my DVR drives, so all I would have lost was
the backup.)
I keep close tabs on DBSTalk.com, and I've never read of anyone doing
so. So, congratulations! Any chance the drive got put back on the DVR it
came from?
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-07-29 23:12:14 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:58:09 -0700, John McWilliams
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:55:40 -0700, John McWilliams
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Interesting, but that's not the way my DirecTV DVRs work. I have two
HR-20's and an HR-21, and I've switched from external to internal and
back several times, and both models retain the content recorded on
either the internal or the external drive. Moreover I recently learned
(from a post in this group) that you can move an external drive from
one unit to another and retain the content as well.
No!! Don't try, as moving an external HD from one DVR to another will
reformat the external, and all content will be lost.
Who in the world posted that one could safely do that??
I don't remember who posted that it would work, but I doubted it too,
so I tried it with one of my "spares" and it does work! ( I keep a
clone "spare" of each of my DVR drives, so all I would have lost was
the backup.)
I keep close tabs on DBSTalk.com, and I've never read of anyone doing
so. So, congratulations! Any chance the drive got put back on the DVR it
came from?
No. Like you, I had only heard that it would result in reformatting of
the drive, so I fully expected it to reformat my drive, and I would
reply to the poster that it had not worked. I was VERY surprised to
find that it worked! If you have two DirecTV DVRs and an extra drive,
I strongly urge you to try it for yourself.

BYW, I cloned using Easeus. I also have Acronis, but have had poor
results with it.
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-08-04 22:27:00 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:12:14 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:58:09 -0700, John McWilliams
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:55:40 -0700, John McWilliams
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Interesting, but that's not the way my DirecTV DVRs work. I have two
HR-20's and an HR-21, and I've switched from external to internal and
back several times, and both models retain the content recorded on
either the internal or the external drive. Moreover I recently learned
(from a post in this group) that you can move an external drive from
one unit to another and retain the content as well.
No!! Don't try, as moving an external HD from one DVR to another will
reformat the external, and all content will be lost.
Who in the world posted that one could safely do that??
I don't remember who posted that it would work, but I doubted it too,
so I tried it with one of my "spares" and it does work! ( I keep a
clone "spare" of each of my DVR drives, so all I would have lost was
the backup.)
I keep close tabs on DBSTalk.com, and I've never read of anyone doing
so. So, congratulations! Any chance the drive got put back on the DVR it
came from?
No. Like you, I had only heard that it would result in reformatting of
the drive, so I fully expected it to reformat my drive, and I would
reply to the poster that it had not worked. I was VERY surprised to
find that it worked! If you have two DirecTV DVRs and an extra drive,
I strongly urge you to try it for yourself.
BYW, I cloned using Easeus. I also have Acronis, but have had poor
results with it.
Well, I posted the above a few days ago, but since then had an
opportunity to try moving a drive from one DVR to another, and this
time IT DIDN'T WORK. I haven't gone back and tried other combinations
(this time I moved from the original drive from a HR-21 to a HR020).
As John stated, the HR-20 simply reformatted the drive to an empty
drive.... I don't know why it worked before and not now, but when I
have more time, I'll try repeating and see what happens. It takes a
long time to do a test, since I used cloned copies, so as not to lose
my recorded material should something screw up, and cloning the 1 TB
drives takes about 5 hours each.
John McWilliams
2013-08-06 16:25:23 UTC
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Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:12:14 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by John McWilliams
I keep close tabs on DBSTalk.com, and I've never read of anyone doing
so. So, congratulations! Any chance the drive got put back on the DVR it
came from?
No. Like you, I had only heard that it would result in reformatting of
the drive, so I fully expected it to reformat my drive, and I would
reply to the poster that it had not worked. I was VERY surprised to
find that it worked! If you have two DirecTV DVRs and an extra drive,
I strongly urge you to try it for yourself.
BYW, I cloned using Easeus. I also have Acronis, but have had poor
results with it.
Well, I posted the above a few days ago, but since then had an
opportunity to try moving a drive from one DVR to another, and this
time IT DIDN'T WORK. I haven't gone back and tried other combinations
(this time I moved from the original drive from a HR-21 to a HR020).
As John stated, the HR-20 simply reformatted the drive to an empty
drive.... I don't know why it worked before and not now, but when I
have more time, I'll try repeating and see what happens. It takes a
long time to do a test, since I used cloned copies, so as not to lose
my recorded material should something screw up, and cloning the 1 TB
drives takes about 5 hours each.
Thanks for posting a very useful followup!

This underlines a huge cautionary tale: Don't count on this working, and
don't even try unless you're computer savvy to a high degree.
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-08-07 16:58:40 UTC
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On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:27:00 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir

I guess this is a follow-up to the earlier follow-up.

I think I've figured out why the last time I tried to move a drive
from one DirecTV DVR to another failed to work.

I had previously been using cloned copies of my 1 TB external drives.
Because it takes so long to clone a 1 TB drive, I had decided to speed
things up by cloning 500 TB drives. To do so, I needed a 500 TB drive
(or smaller) with recorded material already on it to start with. The
only one I had conveniently available was the 320 GB drive that I had
removed from my HR-21 when I installed a 1 TB drive internally. So I
cloned a copy of that to a 500 TB drive, and tried to use that on the
HR-20. This is the transfer that failed, in that the HR-20 simply
reformatted the drive for it. (Incidentally, although the cloning
process used only the first 320 GB of the drive, reformatting it made
all 500 GB available.)

So today I repeated the test, this time using a cloned copy of the 1
TB drive now internally used in the HR-21, and this worked connected
externally to the HR-20.

So it is either the fact that I was using a different size drive than
what had been previously used on the HR-20, or the fact that it was a
copy of an internal drive. HOWEVER, the copy of the 1 TB drive that
DID work today, was actually a copy of a drive that is internal on the
HR-21. But, it was originally an external drive (on the same HR-21)
that was removed from its case, and installed internally.

Perhaps John's advice is still good. You're certainly better off by
not trying to move a drive from one DVR to another. But if you have
the time and a few spare drives and like to experiment you might try
to verify it for yourself.
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:12:14 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:58:09 -0700, John McWilliams
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:55:40 -0700, John McWilliams
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Interesting, but that's not the way my DirecTV DVRs work. I have two
HR-20's and an HR-21, and I've switched from external to internal and
back several times, and both models retain the content recorded on
either the internal or the external drive. Moreover I recently learned
(from a post in this group) that you can move an external drive from
one unit to another and retain the content as well.
No!! Don't try, as moving an external HD from one DVR to another will
reformat the external, and all content will be lost.
Who in the world posted that one could safely do that??
I don't remember who posted that it would work, but I doubted it too,
so I tried it with one of my "spares" and it does work! ( I keep a
clone "spare" of each of my DVR drives, so all I would have lost was
the backup.)
I keep close tabs on DBSTalk.com, and I've never read of anyone doing
so. So, congratulations! Any chance the drive got put back on the DVR it
came from?
No. Like you, I had only heard that it would result in reformatting of
the drive, so I fully expected it to reformat my drive, and I would
reply to the poster that it had not worked. I was VERY surprised to
find that it worked! If you have two DirecTV DVRs and an extra drive,
I strongly urge you to try it for yourself.
BYW, I cloned using Easeus. I also have Acronis, but have had poor
results with it.
Well, I posted the above a few days ago, but since then had an
opportunity to try moving a drive from one DVR to another, and this
time IT DIDN'T WORK. I haven't gone back and tried other combinations
(this time I moved from the original drive from a HR-21 to a HR020).
As John stated, the HR-20 simply reformatted the drive to an empty
drive.... I don't know why it worked before and not now, but when I
have more time, I'll try repeating and see what happens. It takes a
long time to do a test, since I used cloned copies, so as not to lose
my recorded material should something screw up, and cloning the 1 TB
drives takes about 5 hours each.
Jim Wilkins
2013-08-07 17:15:25 UTC
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"Charlie Hoffpauir" <***@invalid.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

Large new drives are formatted differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format

jsw
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-08-07 18:32:28 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:15:25 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
Post by Jim Wilkins
Large new drives are formatted differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format
jsw
I don't think that applies to this situation. All these drives have
been previously used in either computer or DVR operations, and to
clone them, the cloning software requires removing all existing
partitions, then does a bitcopy of another previously installed, DVR
drive. They then (regardless of total size) end up with three
partitions. The first one is 517.69 MB in size, the second one 15.01
GB, and the third one various sizes up to the limit of the capacity of
the drive. There appears to be no difference in the was any of the
partitions on different drives are formatted, except of course that
the first two seem to be always the same size regardless of the size
of the drive.
chicho Misho
2013-08-08 01:20:11 UTC
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Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:27:00 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
I guess this is a follow-up to the earlier follow-up.
I think I've figured out why the last time I tried to move a drive
from one DirecTV DVR to another failed to work.
I had previously been using cloned copies of my 1 TB external drives.
Because it takes so long to clone a 1 TB drive, I had decided to speed
things up by cloning 500 TB drives. To do so, I needed a 500 TB drive
(or smaller) with recorded material already on it to start with. The
only one I had conveniently available was the 320 GB drive that I had
removed from my HR-21 when I installed a 1 TB drive internally. So I
cloned a copy of that to a 500 TB drive, and tried to use that on the
HR-20. This is the transfer that failed, in that the HR-20 simply
reformatted the drive for it. (Incidentally, although the cloning
process used only the first 320 GB of the drive, reformatting it made
all 500 GB available.)
So today I repeated the test, this time using a cloned copy of the 1
TB drive now internally used in the HR-21, and this worked connected
externally to the HR-20.
So it is either the fact that I was using a different size drive than
what had been previously used on the HR-20, or the fact that it was a
copy of an internal drive. HOWEVER, the copy of the 1 TB drive that
DID work today, was actually a copy of a drive that is internal on the
HR-21. But, it was originally an external drive (on the same HR-21)
that was removed from its case, and installed internally.
Perhaps John's advice is still good. You're certainly better off by
not trying to move a drive from one DVR to another. But if you have
the time and a few spare drives and like to experiment you might try
to verify it for yourself.
Could it be that the 320 GB drive contained an older version of the DVR
software, which would re-format an external drive upon first connection?

Your 1 TB drives probably have gone through software updates, and moving
an external drive to a different DVR is allowed by the new software.

Just a thought.
John McWilliams
2013-08-08 16:38:57 UTC
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Post by chicho Misho
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:27:00 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
I guess this is a follow-up to the earlier follow-up.
I think I've figured out why the last time I tried to move a drive
from one DirecTV DVR to another failed to work.
I had previously been using cloned copies of my 1 TB external drives.
Because it takes so long to clone a 1 TB drive, I had decided to speed
things up by cloning 500 TB drives. To do so, I needed a 500 TB drive
(or smaller) with recorded material already on it to start with. The
only one I had conveniently available was the 320 GB drive that I had
removed from my HR-21 when I installed a 1 TB drive internally. So I
cloned a copy of that to a 500 TB drive, and tried to use that on the
HR-20. This is the transfer that failed, in that the HR-20 simply
reformatted the drive for it. (Incidentally, although the cloning
process used only the first 320 GB of the drive, reformatting it made
all 500 GB available.)
So today I repeated the test, this time using a cloned copy of the 1
TB drive now internally used in the HR-21, and this worked connected
externally to the HR-20.
So it is either the fact that I was using a different size drive than
what had been previously used on the HR-20, or the fact that it was a
copy of an internal drive. HOWEVER, the copy of the 1 TB drive that
DID work today, was actually a copy of a drive that is internal on the
HR-21. But, it was originally an external drive (on the same HR-21)
that was removed from its case, and installed internally.
Perhaps John's advice is still good. You're certainly better off by
not trying to move a drive from one DVR to another. But if you have
the time and a few spare drives and like to experiment you might try
to verify it for yourself.
Could it be that the 320 GB drive contained an older version of the DVR
software, which would re-format an external drive upon first connection?
Your 1 TB drives probably have gone through software updates, and moving
an external drive to a different DVR is allowed by the new software.
Except it isn't "allowed". People who do so and are successful are both
expert and lucky.

UCLAN
2013-07-26 19:44:09 UTC
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Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
No.
r***@cbs.com
2013-07-27 01:16:01 UTC
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<If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
<the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?

sure... it's just data. The question should be can you play them
from there?
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2013-07-27 01:37:45 UTC
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Post by r***@cbs.com
<If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
<the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
sure... it's just data. The question should be can you play them
from there?
No they cannot be copied or even used on a computer. The drive and the
data is formatted in a proprietary format. While the data should not
go away, it cannot be seen or used except with the DTV receiver.

There are ways to get it copied to the a computer, but requires
special hardware and software to get it there, especially in an HD
format.
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-07-27 13:50:20 UTC
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Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
I originally posted "no" to your question, but after thinking about
it, I believe it might be possible, but it's an involved process and I
haven't tried it myself, so cannot verify that it works. Here are the
steps I'd try if I really wanted to do this:

1. Remove the internal drive

2. Clone the original drive to a much large drive. If the original is
320 GB like my HR-21, then cloning to a 1 TB drive might increase the
capacity 3x.
The cloned drive will then be a 1TB disc, but only the first 320 GB
will be seen by the DVR as it is now.

I've verified that the cloning process works fine, it's the next step
that is questionable.

3. Now the step I'm not sure about.... Using Easeus, or whatever
software you used to do the cloning, increase the size of the third
partition on the drive to the maximum available. The third partition
holds the actual data, so the hope is that increasing its size will
make it all available to the operating system.

If you do try this, please post the result.
Jim Wilkins
2013-07-27 16:46:56 UTC
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Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external
drive?
I originally posted "no" to your question, but after thinking about
it, I believe it might be possible, but it's an involved process and I
haven't tried it myself, so cannot verify that it works. Here are the
1. Remove the internal drive
2. Clone the original drive to a much large drive. If the original is
320 GB like my HR-21, then cloning to a 1 TB drive might increase the
capacity 3x.
The cloned drive will then be a 1TB disc, but only the first 320 GB
will be seen by the DVR as it is now.
I've verified that the cloning process works fine, it's the next step
that is questionable.
3. Now the step I'm not sure about.... Using Easeus, or whatever
software you used to do the cloning, increase the size of the third
partition on the drive to the maximum available. The third partition
holds the actual data, so the hope is that increasing its size will
make it all available to the operating system.
If you do try this, please post the result.
Step 0:
Buy a USB external hard drive adapter:
http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Adapter-Converter-Optical-External/dp/B001OORMVQ
http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Adapter-Converter-Optical-External/dp/B000YJBL78/ref=pd_sim_pc_6/184-4469613-4885958

Be careful to plug the drive in correctly. They aren't foolproof. I
marked the Pin 1 end of the connectors and the blank keying pin with
white nail polish.
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-08-04 22:20:44 UTC
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:50:20 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
I originally posted "no" to your question, but after thinking about
it, I believe it might be possible, but it's an involved process and I
haven't tried it myself, so cannot verify that it works. Here are the
1. Remove the internal drive
2. Clone the original drive to a much large drive. If the original is
320 GB like my HR-21, then cloning to a 1 TB drive might increase the
capacity 3x.
The cloned drive will then be a 1TB disc, but only the first 320 GB
will be seen by the DVR as it is now.
I've verified that the cloning process works fine, it's the next step
that is questionable.
3. Now the step I'm not sure about.... Using Easeus, or whatever
software you used to do the cloning, increase the size of the third
partition on the drive to the maximum available. The third partition
holds the actual data, so the hope is that increasing its size will
make it all available to the operating system.
If you do try this, please post the result.
Follow-up...........


I decided to try this "expansion" of an existing DVR HD myself, and it
didn't work. The problem , as I thought it might be, was in completing
the third step, expanding the third partition's size. I first tried
using Easus to do this, but since it didn't recognize the third
partition, it wouldn't do the expansion. windows Computer Management
also wouldn't do it. FInally I booted Parted magic, and it also was
unable to extend this partition. Apparently DirecTV does something
special with this partition. Easus will bitcopy it correctly, but
won't extend it to a larger size.
a***@wind.net
2013-07-29 18:05:16 UTC
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Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
Thanks for the comments. Think the best solution for me is an external
drive.

Anybody have a opinion as to what brand. I would probably go with a 2T
drive.

Thanks.
Jim Wilkins
2013-07-29 21:39:40 UTC
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Post by a***@wind.net
...
Anybody have a opinion as to what brand. I would probably go with a 2T
drive.
Amazon and Newegg have plenty of customer reviews, with around 1 in 10
being negative for all of them.
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STBV2000100/dp/B00834SJS0

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136471
"I don't trust WD since all of the 3 drives I've owned in the last few
years have died rather quickly."
" I own over 15 Seagate drives and only 2 have died in the past 4
years."
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-07-30 00:28:42 UTC
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Post by a***@wind.net
If I install an external drive on a DirecTV system, can I somehow move
the movies already saved on the internal drive to the external drive?
Thanks for the comments. Think the best solution for me is an external
drive.
Anybody have a opinion as to what brand. I would probably go with a 2T
drive.
Thanks.
I've had both Seagate and WD external eSATA drives (1TB each) in
service for over 5 years with HR-20 and HR-21 DVRs, and had failures
with all of them (3) during that time. I've concluded that it's just
extremly hard service for an external drive.

So now I've taken a different approach, I have two drives for each
DVR, and alternate backing each of them up every few months. I've gone
to using a separate external enclosure with a fan, and installing a 1
TB drive in it. I buy either Seagate or WD or Hitachi, whatever newegg
has on sale at the time in a top of the line 7200 RPM drive. The
enclosures I use are from Newegg also, their Rosewill RX-358 V2 in
either silver or black. The fan is a low profile 80 mm and pretty
quiet. So far this system has worked really well.

I've avoided using anything larger than a 1 TB for fear taht looking
up shows, deleting shows, etc will be just too slow, as it "seems" to
get slower as I get a drive fairly full. If you do go with a 2 TB
drive, I'd appreciate some feedback as to how it works as it gets
full.
Jim Wilkins
2013-07-30 13:23:19 UTC
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I've avoided using anything larger than a 1 TB for fear taht looking
up shows, deleting shows, etc will be just too slow, as it "seems" to
get slower as I get a drive fairly full. If you do go with a 2 TB
drive, I'd appreciate some feedback as to how it works as it gets
full.
HDTune and HDDScan can measure the transfer rate all across the drive.
Generally I've seen it ramp down to half speed towards the far end.

USB2 limits the speed to <30MB/S. An ExpressCard upgraded my older
laptop to USB3, not at its full speed because of the older and slower
bus but still around 100MB/S for benchmarks. Win7 Copy runs around
60-70 MB/S for large files.

I haven't noticed a difference between the speed when empty and when
filled with multiple copies of large HDTV recordings. A burn-in test
of filling and error-checking caught one bad 2T Seagate which I
returned, and a WD failed the first time I read out the saved files,
before I began testing them for early failure.
http://theproaudiofiles.com/more-dependable-hard-drives/
Now I save the more valuable recordings on two drives, which is still
cheaper than buying the DVD of the show.

HDTune gives transfer speed results closer to what Copy reports, while
HDDScan can read S.M.A.R.T. from a USB drive. Both are affected by
transfer block size. A rising error or Reallocated count warns of a
deteriorating drive, though they can fail for unreported reasons. Some
of my older internal drives look terrible by S.M.A.R.T. but still
work.
jsw
Charlie Hoffpauir
2013-07-30 18:19:15 UTC
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:23:19 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
Post by Jim Wilkins
Post by Charlie Hoffpauir
I've avoided using anything larger than a 1 TB for fear taht looking
up shows, deleting shows, etc will be just too slow, as it "seems" to
get slower as I get a drive fairly full. If you do go with a 2 TB
drive, I'd appreciate some feedback as to how it works as it gets
full.
HDTune and HDDScan can measure the transfer rate all across the drive.
Generally I've seen it ramp down to half speed towards the far end.
USB2 limits the speed to <30MB/S. An ExpressCard upgraded my older
laptop to USB3, not at its full speed because of the older and slower
bus but still around 100MB/S for benchmarks. Win7 Copy runs around
60-70 MB/S for large files.
I haven't noticed a difference between the speed when empty and when
filled with multiple copies of large HDTV recordings. A burn-in test
of filling and error-checking caught one bad 2T Seagate which I
returned, and a WD failed the first time I read out the saved files,
before I began testing them for early failure.
http://theproaudiofiles.com/more-dependable-hard-drives/
Now I save the more valuable recordings on two drives, which is still
cheaper than buying the DVD of the show.
HDTune gives transfer speed results closer to what Copy reports, while
HDDScan can read S.M.A.R.T. from a USB drive. Both are affected by
transfer block size. A rising error or Reallocated count warns of a
deteriorating drive, though they can fail for unreported reasons. Some
of my older internal drives look terrible by S.M.A.R.T. but still
work.
jsw
I don't think I made clear what my concern was. I'm not particularly
concerned about the actual drive performance, but rather the DirecTV
operating system's performance in accessing the information on a
larger drive. Example: I have 3 DirecTV DVRs, each with a 1 TB drive.
Access to program listings, or deletion of one or more programs then
display of new lists, is fairly slow. However, when I got the
whole-home system installed, and now the "listing" of recorded
programs is really a combined list of 3 hard drives, the display is
now much slower. ie, my thought is that the OS is having a hard time
handling so much information..... but my drives are only about 1/2
full each, so in effect, I have a 1.5 TB drive equivalent. If one
were to install a 2 TB drive, or maybe even a 3 TB drive and then fill
it up, I'm wondering what the performance "hit" would be?

Does anyone know?

I do know that DirecTV uses a variant of Linux for their OS, but I
don't know much about Linux. My limited experience with Windows has
convinced me that limited memory can really bog down the OS, but to my
knowledge, filling your hard drive doesn't really slow your system
down, unless your system is memory limited and needs the hard drive
for paging.
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