SD on HD channels....why???

[SAC 441]

I have a satellite receiver capable of HD in 720p and 1080i formats
(1080p) on PPV channels.It is connected to my TV using an HDMI cable.
One thing I noticed is that they still use standard definition
commercials and programs on the channels that are supposed to be HD.I
find this asinine and stupid (you can tell immediately that it is
standard definition).If you are going to adopt a standard,do so
completely.Broadcasters that do this,just show how cheapass they are.It
is the same kind of mentality that occurred in the 60's when they jumped
from B&W to what was supposed to be strictly color channels in those
days.

[Patty Winter]

Post by SAC 441
One thing I noticed is that they still use standard definition
commercials and programs on the channels that are supposed to be HD.I
find this asinine and stupid (you can tell immediately that it is
standard definition).If you are going to adopt a standard,do so
completely.Broadcasters that do this,just show how cheapass they are.

You really believe that the SD material is coming from the broadcasters?


Patty

[SAC 441]

Patty Winter said:
----"You really believe that the SD material is coming from the
broadcasters?"----

Reply: I don't actually know where it comes from.The point is,they ALLOW
it.If they are an advertiser,they should tell them to tailor their ads
to fit the medium they are going to be shown in in my opinion.The
trouble is,when SD material is shown on an HD channel,99% of the time
the aspect ratio flips too.And there is a LOT of it.The flipping of
formats and aspect ratios is enough to drive you crazy.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by SAC 441
----"You really believe that the SD material is coming from the
broadcasters?"----
Reply: I don't actually know where it comes from.The point is,they ALLOW
it.If they are an advertiser,they should tell them to tailor their ads
to fit the medium they are going to be shown in in my opinion.The
trouble is,when SD material is shown on an HD channel,99% of the time
the aspect ratio flips too.And there is a LOT of it.The flipping of
formats and aspect ratios is enough to drive you crazy.

Send a letter to each advertiser and network to let them know how you
feel.

[G-squared]

"The point is,they ALLOW it.If they are an advertiser,they should tell them to tailor their ads to fit the medium they are going to be shown in in my opinion."


Do you understand how TV works? Advertisers PAY to put their message in. If they supply SD video it will get up-rezzed to 'HD' and inserted into the data stream from the servers. The broadcasters will 'allow' anything that will make them money and not COST them money. They sometimes make mistakes and stretch SD by mistake but it usually gets corrected quickly.

As for pillarbox. If you have 35mm film shot in 4:3 and transfer it on an HD telecine, how do you fill in the sides? Do a zoom in and vertical 'pan and scan' or show you all the frame and live with the side bars?

G²

[whosbest54]

Post by SAC 441
I have a satellite receiver capable of HD in 720p and 1080i formats
(1080p) on PPV channels.It is connected to my TV using an HDMI cable.
One thing I noticed is that they still use standard definition
commercials and programs on the channels that are supposed to be HD.I
find this asinine and stupid (you can tell immediately that it is
standard definition).If you are going to adopt a standard,do so
completely.Broadcasters that do this,just show how cheapass they are.It
is the same kind of mentality that occurred in the 60's when they jumped
from B&W to what was supposed to be strictly color channels in those
days.

Many cable/satellite channels, like, just for example, Food, CMT and others
have quite a bit of older 4x3 SD programming as well as new commercials in
that format. Local broadcast channels have some of that too, especially
for the locally originated programs.

Some networks take older programming and convert it to HD, with varying
results. If the source is 35 mm film, it looks good, but they may
letterbox it. For example, Seinfeld on TBS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinfeld#Seinfeld_in_HD

Some take 4x3 video and stretch it, which looks terrible. Food network
does this on their HD channel.

The national broadcast networks are better for their programming and
nationally originated commercials - much more in HD. Heavily watched
showcase programs like the Superbowl and awards shows are mostly or all in
HD, including the commercials.

You ask why in the subject line, but answer your own question. As you
state, the issue is simply money. It's cheaper to use older programming
and recycle it and to produce new SD commercials than HD commercials.

You can write to the networks and complain, but one person complaining will
do little good - even hundreds complaining likely won't do any good.

The content providers will only respond to market forces, e.g., the
ratings. It seems many people don't care about the issue you raise and
still watch.

So, one option is skip those channels and watch channels that only feature
HD, like HDNET or Palladia or the HD premium movie channels.

whosbest54

[Bill Gill]

Post by whosbest54

Post by SAC 441
I have a satellite receiver capable of HD in 720p and 1080i formats
(1080p) on PPV channels.It is connected to my TV using an HDMI cable.
One thing I noticed is that they still use standard definition
commercials and programs on the channels that are supposed to be HD.I
find this asinine and stupid (you can tell immediately that it is
standard definition).If you are going to adopt a standard,do so
completely.Broadcasters that do this,just show how cheapass they are.It
is the same kind of mentality that occurred in the 60's when they jumped
from B&W to what was supposed to be strictly color channels in those
days.

Many cable/satellite channels, like, just for example, Food, CMT and others
have quite a bit of older 4x3 SD programming as well as new commercials in
that format. Local broadcast channels have some of that too, especially
for the locally originated programs.
Some networks take older programming and convert it to HD, with varying
results. If the source is 35 mm film, it looks good, but they may
letterbox it. For example, Seinfeld on TBS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinfeld#Seinfeld_in_HD
Some take 4x3 video and stretch it, which looks terrible. Food network
does this on their HD channel.
The national broadcast networks are better for their programming and
nationally originated commercials - much more in HD. Heavily watched
showcase programs like the Superbowl and awards shows are mostly or all in
HD, including the commercials.
You ask why in the subject line, but answer your own question. As you
state, the issue is simply money. It's cheaper to use older programming
and recycle it and to produce new SD commercials than HD commercials.
You can write to the networks and complain, but one person complaining will
do little good - even hundreds complaining likely won't do any good.
The content providers will only respond to market forces, e.g., the
ratings. It seems many people don't care about the issue you raise and
still watch.
So, one option is skip those channels and watch channels that only feature
HD, like HDNET or Palladia or the HD premium movie channels.
whosbest54

I don't mind them showing SD on an HD channel, as long as they
don't distort it. Having black bars on the sides is way much better
than having the horrible distortion they inflict on us just to fill
the HD screen. I watch old movies on TCM-HD a lot. But they go ahead
and put in the side bars. I WILL NOT watch a program that has
been distorted, no matter how good it might be otherwise.

Bill

[Drewdove]

It is the same kind of mentality that occurred in the 60's when
they jumped from B&W to what was supposed to be strictly color
channels in those days.

So what were they supposed to do when they wanted to show a B&W movie?

A Hard Days Night
Casablanca
It's A Wonderful Life

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

Post by Drewdove

It is the same kind of mentality that occurred in the 60's when
they jumped from B&W to what was supposed to be strictly color
channels in those days.

So what were they supposed to do when they wanted to show a B&W movie?
A Hard Days Night
Casablanca
It's A Wonderful Life

Well they COULD do something incredibly stupid, like colorization....

No, no one could be that stupid.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Charlie Hoffpauir

Post by Drewdove

It is the same kind of mentality that occurred in the 60's when
they jumped from B&W to what was supposed to be strictly color
channels in those days.

So what were they supposed to do when they wanted to show a B&W movie?
A Hard Days Night
Casablanca
It's A Wonderful Life

Well they COULD do something incredibly stupid, like colorization....
No, no one could be that stupid.

Now I'm laughing...

But I have seen colorization that didn't look too bad.

How would you colorize The Wizard of Oz? Color in Kansas and B&W in Oz?

[D. Stussy]

"SAC 441" wrote in message news:20384-51B8C88F-***@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net...
I have a satellite receiver capable of HD in 720p and 1080i formats
(1080p) on PPV channels.It is connected to my TV using an HDMI cable.
One thing I noticed is that they still use standard definition
commercials and programs on the channels that are supposed to be HD.I
find this asinine and stupid (you can tell immediately that it is
standard definition).If you are going to adopt a standard,do so
completely.Broadcasters that do this,just show how cheapass they are.It
is the same kind of mentality that occurred in the 60's when they jumped
from B&W to what was supposed to be strictly color channels in those
days.
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You actually WATCH the advertisements?