Discussion:
Do OTA Antennas need to be mounted high?
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Metspitzer
2014-01-07 00:47:47 UTC
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I would like to try one, but I really don't want to have to put up a
mast. The location I would like to try is lower than the gutters on
the house. I would like to put it on a pole that my satellite dish
was mounted on.
Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-07 01:28:15 UTC
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Hi,

One person reported better results with the antenna laying on the ground.

I tied up my VHF Lo/Hi antenna in my attic with string.

If you would provide a link to your TVFool results we can better advise.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29

Anything from a "Wet Noodle" to a custom built antenna on a 75' tower may be
needed.

Here is how mine is mounted, the only place allowed.

http://www.avsforum.com/g/i/126094/even-with-leaves-it-works/

SHF
Post by Metspitzer
I would like to try one, but I really don't want to have to put up a
mast. The location I would like to try is lower than the gutters on
the house. I would like to put it on a pole that my satellite dish
was mounted on.
Metspitzer
2014-01-07 02:12:24 UTC
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How far away are your stations? Your antenna looks like a
bi-directional one.

The closest city from me is Atlanta and the distance "using your
useful chart" to many of the stations is 44 miles with one being 53
and one 57.

I am guessing I would have to get a directional antenna living so far.
The chart, from your link, says I need an attic-mounted one.

Thanks


On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:28:15 -0800, "Stephen H. Fischer"
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Hi,
One person reported better results with the antenna laying on the ground.
I tied up my VHF Lo/Hi antenna in my attic with string.
If you would provide a link to your TVFool results we can better advise.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
Anything from a "Wet Noodle" to a custom built antenna on a 75' tower may be
needed.
Here is how mine is mounted, the only place allowed.
http://www.avsforum.com/g/i/126094/even-with-leaves-it-works/
SHF
Post by Metspitzer
I would like to try one, but I really don't want to have to put up a
mast. The location I would like to try is lower than the gutters on
the house. I would like to put it on a pole that my satellite dish
was mounted on.
Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-07 03:10:32 UTC
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Hi,

My ZIP code is 94087, enter that into TVFool and you will get the
transmitter distances.

Use the TV Fool Google map to see the transmitter directions, most are North
West.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

Click on "Show lines pointing to each transmitter".

Most stations are ~ 36 miles and on one monstrosity in the center of San
Francisco. http://sutrotower.com/

Your zip code and desired networks would help.

My antenna is a UHF one that gets VHF Hi stations on RF 7 and RF 12. It
works only for stations in the direction it is pointed.

The need for a rotor would make the pole for the satellite dish a good
choice.


The real antenna experts are here:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/381623/the-official-avs-antenna-and-related-hardware-topic/60An attic mounted antenna may not work for you, more information needed.SHF
Metspitzer
2014-01-07 16:53:07 UTC
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:10:32 -0800, "Stephen H. Fischer"
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Hi,
My ZIP code is 94087, enter that into TVFool and you will get the
transmitter distances.
Use the TV Fool Google map to see the transmitter directions, most are North
West.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90
Click on "Show lines pointing to each transmitter".
Most stations are ~ 36 miles and on one monstrosity in the center of San
Francisco. http://sutrotower.com/
Your zip code and desired networks would help.
My antenna is a UHF one that gets VHF Hi stations on RF 7 and RF 12. It
works only for stations in the direction it is pointed.
The need for a rotor would make the pole for the satellite dish a good
choice.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/381623/the-official-avs-antenna-and-related-hardware-topic/60An attic mounted antenna may not work for you, more information needed.SHF
My zip is 30117
Jim Wilkins
2014-01-07 17:35:42 UTC
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Post by Metspitzer
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:10:32 -0800, "Stephen H. Fischer"
My zip is 30117
http://www.antennaweb.org/
"Click Here To Start"
Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-07 17:41:22 UTC
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Post by Stephen H. Fischer
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/381623/the-official-avs-antenna-and-related-hardware-topic/60
My zip is xxxxx
To my quick look it does not look good.

You have a mixture of UHF and VHF Hi and most are 2Edge.

ABC is a sure bet but it is in a difference direction from the Atlanta
Stations.

You need to join AVS and read starting backwards from the current END to
understand what they will want so they can help.

Then make your post after trying the test forum area for 3 - 4 posts or wait
a few days. I do not know the current rules for new people, posting the
TVFool link may not be possible initially.
Your ZIP code I think may be all that is
necessary to start but they like the link.

The link to your TVFool results and what networks you desire for starters.
How high above the ground the sat pole is may be helpful.

What they will recommend is above my pay grade, I am not up to speed on the
antennas they suggest at all.

It most likely will be a high outside antenna mounted on the sat pole
perhaps with an amp.

Here is a good link to the thread, I think I botched the last one.

SHF

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=381623
Gene E. Bloch
2014-01-07 04:06:41 UTC
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Post by Metspitzer
How far away are your stations? Your antenna looks like a
bi-directional one.
The clue that the antenna is *not* bidirectional is that the sensitive
elements are all one side of the reflector (the thing that looks a bit
like a cot spring or an oven grill).
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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-07 05:23:31 UTC
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Hi,

I suspect that the OP has jumped into the deep end of the pool to take the
first swimming lesson.

---------------------

There was a person in Hawaii who built one without the screen and could not
get some stations due to reflection's from a string of mountains in the
opposite direction.

He never reported back.

SHF

COLD? I drove from East to West across Minneapolis Christmas 1968 after my
car was jump started. (-25 F)

Sidewalks?, use the enclosed walkways on the second floor of buildings that
are all connected in downtown Minneapolis.

International Falls, MN Wednesday to be -29 F. That's warm.
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by Metspitzer
How far away are your stations? Your antenna looks like a
bi-directional one.
The clue that the antenna is *not* bidirectional is that the sensitive
elements are all one side of the reflector (the thing that looks a bit
like a cot spring or an oven grill).
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Gene E. Bloch
2014-01-07 19:55:21 UTC
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Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Hi,
I suspect that the OP has jumped into the deep end of the pool to
take the first swimming lesson.
Metspitzer is not new to this newsgroup.
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
There was a person in Hawaii who built one without the screen and
could not get some stations due to reflection's from a string of
mountains in the opposite direction.
He never reported back.
SHF
COLD? I drove from East to West across Minneapolis Christmas 1968
after my car was jump started. (-25 F)
Sidewalks?, use the enclosed walkways on the second floor of
buildings that are all connected in downtown Minneapolis.
A lot of downtown buildings in Toronto are connected by a system of
tunnels. Cool (i.e., warm).
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
International Falls, MN Wednesday to be -29 F. That's warm.
Some nearby towns here (SF Bay Area) are dropping down to +32 F. That's
cold by local standards.

...
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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Metspitzer
2014-01-07 20:21:56 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:55:21 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Hi,
I suspect that the OP has jumped into the deep end of the pool to
take the first swimming lesson.
Metspitzer is not new to this newsgroup.
I am not new to the group, but as with most groups I only read the
headers most of the time. I have never had an (digital) OTA antenna
connected to my TV. I haven't read many of the OTA threads.

I may have ended my spat with the cable company. I don't think I live
in an area where I would ever get satisfactory reception without some
kind of huge expensive setup.
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
There was a person in Hawaii who built one without the screen and
could not get some stations due to reflection's from a string of
mountains in the opposite direction.
He never reported back.
SHF
COLD? I drove from East to West across Minneapolis Christmas 1968
after my car was jump started. (-25 F)
Sidewalks?, use the enclosed walkways on the second floor of
buildings that are all connected in downtown Minneapolis.
A lot of downtown buildings in Toronto are connected by a system of
tunnels. Cool (i.e., warm).
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
International Falls, MN Wednesday to be -29 F. That's warm.
Some nearby towns here (SF Bay Area) are dropping down to +32 F. That's
cold by local standards.
...
Elmo P. Shagnasty
2014-01-08 01:55:34 UTC
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Post by Metspitzer
I have never had an (digital) OTA antenna
connected to my TV.
There is no such thing as a digital antenna.
Metspitzer
2014-01-08 02:11:14 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 20:55:34 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Metspitzer
I have never had an (digital) OTA antenna
connected to my TV.
There is no such thing as a digital antenna.
Maybe that is why I don't have one. :P
r***@cbs.com
2014-02-07 03:29:13 UTC
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Alan
2014-02-07 07:15:14 UTC
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In article <***@mchsi.com> ***@cbs.com writes:
I guess he had nothing to say, except for his modification of the subject.

As to the question - height needed depends on distance to stations, terrain,
and sometimes other factors. His "answer" in the subject is no more accurate than
a blanket claim that height is necessary.


Alan
cjt
2014-02-07 16:08:26 UTC
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Post by Alan
I guess he had nothing to say, except for his modification of the subject.
I think he was making a joke. I actually thought it was humorous,
myself, but obviously not everyone "got it."
Post by Alan
As to the question - height needed depends on distance to stations, terrain,
and sometimes other factors. His "answer" in the subject is no more accurate than
a blanket claim that height is necessary.
Alan
Gene E. Bloch
2014-02-07 18:35:21 UTC
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Post by cjt
Post by Alan
I guess he had nothing to say, except for his modification of the subject.
I think he was making a joke. I actually thought it was humorous,
myself, but obviously not everyone "got it."
I didn't even look at the subject until Alan pointed out that redjohn
(apparently accidentally) typed his reply on the subject line.

OTOH, I'm barely willing to go up on the roof even when sober :-)
Post by cjt
Post by Alan
As to the question - height needed depends on distance to
stations, terrain,
and sometimes other factors. His "answer" in the subject is no more accurate than
a blanket claim that height is necessary.
Alan
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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Jim Wilkins
2014-02-07 21:04:58 UTC
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Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by cjt
Post by Alan
I guess he had nothing to say, except for his modification of the subject.
I think he was making a joke. I actually thought it was humorous,
myself, but obviously not everyone "got it."
I didn't even look at the subject until Alan pointed out that
redjohn (apparently accidentally) typed his reply on the subject
line.
OTOH, I'm barely willing to go up on the roof even when sober :-)
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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Better uppers than downers??
Gene E. Bloch
2014-02-07 21:29:47 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by cjt
Post by Alan
I guess he had nothing to say, except for his modification of the subject.
I think he was making a joke. I actually thought it was humorous,
myself, but obviously not everyone "got it."
I didn't even look at the subject until Alan pointed out that
redjohn (apparently accidentally) typed his reply on the subject
line.
OTOH, I'm barely willing to go up on the roof even when sober :-)
-- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Better uppers than downers??
Don't be such a pill.

Actually, it's just that I've reached new heights of acrophobia.

The stumbling part of my sig is also true, so our pitched roof is a
challenge for me - and to top it off (my pun is also allowed) we have
to replace our signal cable soon.

One copes :-)
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-08 02:58:11 UTC
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Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Metspitzer
I have never had an (digital) OTA antenna
connected to my TV.
There is no such thing as a digital antenna.
But that's what antennas are labeled now.

But my VHF Lo/Hi and UHF antennas installed ~ 1973 in my attic kept working
just fine until the metal roof was installed. I did end up with my dream
antenna, CM4228HD.

One new feature is that one station can turn off another's transmitter.
(Yes, it actually happened here!)

SHF
Elmo P. Shagnasty
2014-01-08 11:12:58 UTC
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Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Metspitzer
I have never had an (digital) OTA antenna
connected to my TV.
There is no such thing as a digital antenna.
But that's what antennas are labeled now.
No antenna worth having is labeled that.

Any antenna that is labeled such, is a piece of junk with marketing
terms attached to it--terms designed to attract ignorant people.
Jim Wilkins
2014-01-08 12:52:33 UTC
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Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Metspitzer
I have never had an (digital) OTA antenna
connected to my TV.
There is no such thing as a digital antenna.
But that's what antennas are labeled now.
No antenna worth having is labeled that.
Any antenna that is labeled such, is a piece of junk with marketing
terms attached to it--terms designed to attract ignorant people.
That's not always true, Channel Master markets the CM-4228HD as
"digital".
http://www.channelmaster.com/EXTREMEtenna_CM_4228HD_s/43.htm
m***@large
2014-01-10 05:27:07 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Metspitzer
I have never had an (digital) OTA antenna
connected to my TV.
There is no such thing as a digital antenna.
But that's what antennas are labeled now.
No antenna worth having is labeled that.
Any antenna that is labeled such, is a piece of junk with marketing
terms attached to it--terms designed to attract ignorant people.
That's not always true, Channel Master markets the CM-4228HD as
"digital".
http://www.channelmaster.com/EXTREMEtenna_CM_4228HD_s/43.htm
Interesting choice of example. Here's a comparison of the 4228HD with
the original 4228:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html

Elmo will be tickled (pun intended).
Jim Wilkins
2014-01-10 13:17:29 UTC
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Post by m***@large
Post by Jim Wilkins
Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by Metspitzer
I have never had an (digital) OTA antenna
connected to my TV.
There is no such thing as a digital antenna.
But that's what antennas are labeled now.
No antenna worth having is labeled that.
Any antenna that is labeled such, is a piece of junk with
marketing
terms attached to it--terms designed to attract ignorant people.
That's not always true, Channel Master markets the CM-4228HD as
"digital".
http://www.channelmaster.com/EXTREMEtenna_CM_4228HD_s/43.htm
Interesting choice of example. Here's a comparison of the 4228HD with
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html
Elmo will be tickled (pun intended).
That's one of the pages I checked before buying the pricy antenna.
I've made that type of measurement and seen how sensitive the levels
are to very minor physical changes, such as ground wetness and
reflections off road traffic near the outdoor antenna range. The
graphs may also overemphasize small manufacturing variations. +/- 3dB
is the commonly accepted degree of experimental error and most of the
curves fall within that, also it doesn't show if the CM-4228HD's lower
on-axis gain is the result of wider beam width.

jsw
Ant
2014-01-10 19:39:03 UTC
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Post by m***@large
Interesting choice of example. Here's a comparison of the 4228HD with
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html
Well, crap. I think my parents use HD model from a couple years ago from
a local Fry's Electronics store. I wonder if the original non-HD model
would do better with the problematic channels (L.A.'s KTLA5, KSCI18,
etc.). :(
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Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-10 20:06:47 UTC
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Hi,

Well I have suggested where the experts are who could answer.

It is interesting that two RF channels I have problems with at times are
right at the dip ~ RF 29 in the CM4228HD, RF 29 and RF 30.

But then a big windstorm moving the trees wildly made both RF 29 and RF 44
un-watchable at Noon thus they could not tell me about the big windstorm
occurring right then.

As for RF 5 and RF 8, there is a simple fix to improve the old 4228 to do
better on VHF Hi.

The CM4228HD has that fix. Sorry I did not save that link.

SHF
Post by m***@large
Interesting choice of example. Here's a comparison of the 4228HD with
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html
Well, crap. I think my parents use HD model from a couple years ago from a
local Fry's Electronics store. I wonder if the original non-HD model would
do better with the problematic channels (L.A.'s KTLA5, KSCI18, etc.). :(
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Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-10 20:52:01 UTC
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Hi,

Correction, the fix for the old 4228 is for VHF Hi, RF 6 - RF 13. RF 5 not
included. I get RF 7 just fine as well as RF 12.

--------------------------

KTLA5 is on RF 31 and KSCI18 is on RF 18 (Surprise!)

So the VHF Hi fix does not apply.

In talking about antennas it is best to use the RF channel numbers, not
everyone is able in go into the FCC database to quickly look the RF channel
up.

I even got the Virtual Channel wrong seeing only the 8 as I was thinking VHF
Hi.

SHF
m***@large
2014-01-11 05:28:34 UTC
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Post by Ant
Post by m***@large
Interesting choice of example. Here's a comparison of the 4228HD with
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html
Well, crap. I think my parents use HD model from a couple years ago from
a local Fry's Electronics store. I wonder if the original non-HD model
would do better with the problematic channels (L.A.'s KTLA5, KSCI18,
etc.). :(
Probably not. Nani noted that KTLA5 is on RF 31 and KSCI18 is on RF
18. The first chart at the link above predicts that the 4228 HD would
have under 1 dB less gain than the old model on channel 31 and about 2
dB more gain on channel 18.
Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-11 18:04:28 UTC
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Hi,

All of which begs the questions, what is the zip code for the receive
location.

I only have a vague idea of LA transmitter sites, Mt. Wilson perhaps for
most.

One station city of license was Long Beach so the possibility of stations in
different directions is there.

And there is the possibility of multi-path as there are mountains around.

The best method as I keep saying is AVS, there is a OTA thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=191672&goto=newpost

"problematic channels", why just blame the antenna.

SHF
Post by m***@large
Post by Ant
Post by m***@large
Interesting choice of example. Here's a comparison of the 4228HD with
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html
Well, crap. I think my parents use HD model from a couple years ago from
a local Fry's Electronics store. I wonder if the original non-HD model
would do better with the problematic channels (L.A.'s KTLA5, KSCI18,
etc.). :(
Probably not. Nani noted that KTLA5 is on RF 31 and KSCI18 is on RF
18. The first chart at the link above predicts that the 4228 HD would
have under 1 dB less gain than the old model on channel 31 and about 2
dB more gain on channel 18.
Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-07 20:27:31 UTC
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Post by Gene E. Bloch
Some nearby towns here (SF Bay Area) are dropping down to +32 F. That's
cold by local standards.
...
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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
My personal Weather Station in Sunnyvale recorded a low of +29 F a few days
ago. (Twice)

A number of years ago we got down to +20 F and a lot of outside pipes were
broken.

I have pictures ~ 197x of two inches of snow on my roof.

Moffett Nas/Mtn Vie http://w1.weather.gov/obhistory/KNUQ.html

------------------------------------

Getting back on topic, ZIP xxxxx entered into http://www.antennaweb.org/
gives a very dismal outlook.

The OP needs to look around his location to see if any huge antennas are on
top of houses.

If none, then "Do Not Pass GO, go directly to Jail".

(Put a sat disk up on the old mast.)

SHF
Metspitzer
2014-01-07 21:49:01 UTC
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On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:27:31 -0800, "Stephen H. Fischer"
Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Some nearby towns here (SF Bay Area) are dropping down to +32 F. That's
cold by local standards.
...
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
My personal Weather Station in Sunnyvale recorded a low of +29 F a few days
ago. (Twice)
A number of years ago we got down to +20 F and a lot of outside pipes were
broken.
I have pictures ~ 197x of two inches of snow on my roof.
Moffett Nas/Mtn Vie http://w1.weather.gov/obhistory/KNUQ.html
------------------------------------
Getting back on topic, ZIP xxxxx entered into http://www.antennaweb.org/
gives a very dismal outlook.
The OP needs to look around his location to see if any huge antennas are on
top of houses.
If none, then "Do Not Pass GO, go directly to Jail".
(Put a sat disk up on the old mast.)
SHF
On the subject of looking at neighbor's houses, I walk through a
subdivision near my house (when the temperatures are not freezing)

There are no overhead lines, so every house has a power transformer
and a phone junction box in the front yard. Most houses also have a
satellite dish. Unless I am just missing something, I do not think
there are any boxes for CATV (I don't really know what they would
look like). I haven't asked anyone yet, but I may. I am thinking
that having underground CATV may have a high initial cost so there
might not be CATV available in the entire sub division.

I haven't been looking for them, but I don't remember seeing any OTA
antennas. You would think if CATV wasn't available, at least a few of
the houses would do OTA.
Jim Wilkins
2014-01-07 22:14:43 UTC
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Post by Metspitzer
On the subject of looking at neighbor's houses, I walk through a
subdivision near my house (when the temperatures are not freezing)
There are no overhead lines, so every house has a power transformer
and a phone junction box in the front yard. Most houses also have a
satellite dish. Unless I am just missing something, I do not think
there are any boxes for CATV (I don't really know what they would
look like). I haven't asked anyone yet, but I may. I am thinking
that having underground CATV may have a high initial cost so there
might not be CATV available in the entire sub division.
I haven't been looking for them, but I don't remember seeing any OTA
antennas. You would think if CATV wasn't available, at least a few of
the houses would do OTA.
The manager at Radio Shack tells me that sales of antennas, masts etc
have increased, though I don't see many on houses. Google brings up
several local TV service shops, maybe you have some there.


.
Stephen H. Fischer
2014-01-08 02:51:49 UTC
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Post by Metspitzer
On the subject of looking at neighbor's houses, I walk through a
subdivision near my house (when the temperatures are not freezing)
There are no overhead lines, so every house has a power transformer
and a phone junction box in the front yard. Most houses also have a
satellite dish. Unless I am just missing something, I do not think
there are any boxes for CATV (I don't really know what they would
look like). I haven't asked anyone yet, but I may. I am thinking
that having underground CATV may have a high initial cost so there
might not be CATV available in the entire sub division.
I haven't been looking for them, but I don't remember seeing any OTA
antennas. You would think if CATV wasn't available, at least a few of
the houses would do OTA.
I live in Silicon Valley so YMMV!

The HOA where I live was built ~ 1968 and Power, Telephone and CABLE all are
underground. That's forty years ago.

I used the dual 75 ohm cable pre-wired for my OTA antenna feed to downstairs
for DTV and driving the stereo speakers. (How did he do that, that requires
five wires?)

I cut the dual 75 ohm cable flush with the wall when I left my last
apartment, it was so bad a service and used that from the attic to the
second story level and then the pre-installed cable in the walls to
downstairs.

I know the Cable works because Pacific Gas and Electric called the cable
company after finding their cable eight feet below my sidewalk (Dug down by
hand).

Just as Jay Leno walked out at 11:35 PM there was a series of load bangs and
the lights went out. I called 911 and opened my front door where some of the
neighbors were and after smelling gas I said lets get across the street.

The electric power cables shorted and heated up the ground to the point the
gas line melted as well as the cable service.

The cable man hooked up his tester to the fiber optic cable and said it was
just fine and they did not care about the old lines.

Yes there are boxes above ground installed when they put the fiber optic
lines in, but if the subdivision was built not too many years ago it might
be all below ground. The below ground boxes are all labeled, look down as
you are walking. It might be the old dual 75 ohm service.

Another option is the horrible AT&T U-verse which is a fiber to a box nearby
and then to my unit using the 40+ years old copper. But that would be a big
surprise.

Looking at your TVFool I thought that it looked bad but not impossible for
OTA. A CM4228HD like mine with an amp might work but the experts might have
a better antenna.

Of the 245 HOA units about six have OTA antennas and about the same number
Sat dishes.

That's a lot of units using cable or have no TV.

The cable company and AT&T U-verse have about twelve mailings to me each
month, straight to recycle. They make so much money and keep raising rates.
So putting the cable underground is not out of the question when the power,
telephone and water were being installed at the same time. Oh and the honey
pipes.

I was surprised that the power, gas and cable were so far underground my
sidewalk.

SHF

Sorry for the length, I always say too much.
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