Can't get 4:3 aspect ratio

[Rebel1]

The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.

If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)

If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.

It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.

Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?

Thanks,

R1

[G-squared]

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.

<snip>

Post by Rebel1
R1

Are you sure the TV isn't set to always stretch regardless? Our LG can
do that but like you I don't want 'stretch' and have it set to follow
the input.

G²

[Rebel1]

Post by Rebel1

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from

the

Post by Rebel1
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right

and left.
<snip>

Post by Rebel1
R1

Are you sure the TV isn't set to always stretch regardless? Our LG can
do that but like you I don't want 'stretch' and have it set to follow
the input.
G²

I have to check with the TV User Guide. Maybe there is something tricky
that I missed while using the TV's on-screen menus.

Thanks,

R1

[Alan]

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?

Guessing that you have HDMI between the comcast box and the TV.

Try setting up the comcast box to output the proper mode -- it may
be set to stretch.

There is some magic where you turn the TV on, the comcast box off,
then press menu for the comcast box, and get a setup menu. From that,
as I recall, you can set how it deals with the TV, and what it does with
narrow images.

Alan

[Rebel1]

Post by Alan

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?

Guessing that you have HDMI between the comcast box and the TV.
Try setting up the comcast box to output the proper mode -- it may
be set to stretch.
There is some magic where you turn the TV on, the comcast box off,
then press menu for the comcast box, and get a setup menu. From that,
as I recall, you can set how it deals with the TV, and what it does with
narrow images.
Alan

Yes, the connection is HDMI.

Next time I'm over my friend's house, I'll investigate this interesting
idea. Thanks.

R1

[Kimba W Lion]

Post by Rebel1
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide.

It sounds to me like the TV is telling you it is receiving a 16:9 (stretched)
signal, so the problem has to be dealt with at the cable box.

[Rebel1]

Post by Kimba W Lion

Post by Rebel1
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide.

It sounds to me like the TV is telling you it is receiving a 16:9 (stretched)
signal, so the problem has to be dealt with at the cable box.

I agree. Now I have to figure how to adjust the cable box. I try what
Alan suggested.

Thanks,

R1

[the dog from that film you saw]

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?
Thanks,
R1

maybe it's the tv - my sony allows me to switch the tv to any of it's
modes when feeding HDMI into it whereas others of the past haven't.

[Andrew Rossmann]

In article <4fe3e241$0$6041$***@cv.net>, ***@optonline.net
says...

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?

Is it all 4:3 programming, or just a certain channel or two. Is it on an
HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
their HD feeds.

[Rebel1]

Post by Andrew Rossmann
says...

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?

Is it all 4:3 programming, or just a certain channel or two. Is it on an
HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
their HD feeds.

As the opening paragraph said, I was watching 4:3 shows from the '70s.
(They are on the Antenna TV network.)

In my home, I use a rooftop antenna to view it proper perspective on my
Samsung TV. The show is transmitted from NYC on channel 11.2, 480i
(Antenna TV).

My girlfriend's Vizio gets its signal via Comcast on channel 252.

Others have suggested that Comcast is stretching the signal to fill the
width of the screen, which may be the case. It's strange, however, that
the Vizio's remote doesn't allow me to cycle through the various modes
the TV offers; all I can get is 16:9. Maybe there is something I can do
(like Alan suggested) with the cable box's remote to adjust how the
cable box sets its outputs. I won't be over her home for a few days to
experiment.

R1

[Andrew Rossmann]

[This followup was posted to alt.tv.tech.hdtv and a copy was sent to the
cited author.]

In article <4fe59f60$0$11523$***@cv.net>, ***@optonline.net
says...

Post by Rebel1

Post by Andrew Rossmann

Post by Rebel1
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?

Is it all 4:3 programming, or just a certain channel or two. Is it on an
HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
their HD feeds.

As the opening paragraph said, I was watching 4:3 shows from the '70s.
(They are on the Antenna TV network.)
In my home, I use a rooftop antenna to view it proper perspective on my
Samsung TV. The show is transmitted from NYC on channel 11.2, 480i
(Antenna TV).

Comcast just passes on what is broadcast. They are not doing any
stretching themselves. Do you see this stretching on other SD channels?
Exactly what cable box, if any, do you have connected to the TV? The HD
boxes have an option to stretch 4:3 material, which would override what
your TV does.

For a Motorola-based HD box, set it up so that SD material is passed
through as-is:
Turn off the box
Hit the MENU button
On the 4:3 OVERRIDE option, change it to 480i.
Hit POWER to get out of the menu, then POWER to turn it on as normal.

[j***@gmail.com]

This worked for me. Thanks.

[Drewdove]

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?
Thanks,
R1

Check the remote on the TV to see if it offers screen options. My parents
recently got a cheap Sylvania 22" and it offers a 4:3 screen mode for 16:9
channels (both HD & SD).

[Rebel1]

Post by Drewdove

Post by Rebel1
The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?
Thanks,
R1

Check the remote on the TV to see if it offers screen options. My parents
recently got a cheap Sylvania 22" and it offers a 4:3 screen mode for 16:9
channels (both HD & SD).

I used to have my girlfriend's Vizio over my house, and had no trouble
selecting various modes. Next time I'm at her house, I'll have to read
the manual.

R1

[Rebel1]

Here's what Vizio says on it Support site:

"If you would like the picture to fit your screen you will want to use
the wide, zoom, or panoramic settings. You can control these settings
from the television menu under the video or setup option, and some VIZIO
remotes may have a wide button.

Depending on the signal source you may not be able to change these
setting as they are controlled by the signal source and must be changed
from the source device settings. Please refer to user manuals or
service providers support."

So I must try playing with the cable box's internal settings.

R1

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Hi,

Note: I am OTA only.

I have several programs on my HTPC that do NOT allow any changes to 16:9
material when playing a capture or viewing live.

This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed and pillared (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations.

The only solution that I currently have is use VideoReDo ($$) to crop to
just the 16:9 original material.

The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I can
use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back and I
do this a very lot.

The thinking of the HDTV designers must be, if it's 16:9, it is the best and
do not allow any changes.

Then the practice of letter boxing and pillaring 16:9 material and sending
it as 16:9 appeared and they had not considered that this practice would be
so widespread. (Stations may pay less when they do this).

Not your problem, but the HDTV designers, being so many in number all over
the world selling to the US just have taken different paths, so YMMV.

I have not seen any stretching of 4:3 material except when selecting that
option in one program.

SHF

[J G Miller]

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I can
use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back and I
do this a very lot.

Why do you want to see less of the original image by cropping?

If you bought a painting and it did not fit the frame you bought
from the store, would you trim the painting so that it fitted?

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Hi,

Post by J G Miller

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I can
use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back and I
do this a very lot.

Why do you want to see less of the original image by cropping?

I am not seeing less but removing the letterbox on the SD stream. The
original 16:9 program is thus filling the entire 16:9 screen.

On the HD stream the original 16:9 program is both letter boxed and
pilloried, it is locked and cannot be cropped except with VideoReDo ($$).

The original HD program (16:9) is NOT transmitted on the HD stream as HD,
the quality has already been reduced by adding the letterbox and pillars.

KQED has reduced this practice and does not happen as often now.

But, KQEH on (54.1, 9.2) and many other KQED Inc. streams present 16:9
reruns letter boxed in SD. (9.1 is the only HD stream out of eight streams I
can receive from the two transmitters)

The practice of adding the letterbox and pillars is not limited to KQED but
KCSM (Now in process of being sold as it was costing the college too much
money and the Internet is now more useful for delivering college programs)
also does it, much more often to save money.

I see a lot of commercials on the major networks that are letter boxed and
pilloried, they will go away someday, who cares.

Note: The San Francisco Bay area had all the analog stations duplicated on
DTV transmitters very early and our news went to HD very quickly. One did it
and the rest had to follow very quickly. The conversion to HD from SD is
almost complete here.
------------------------------------------------
Larry
SF
My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists:
http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information:
http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
------------------------------------------------

Thus I watch a lot of 16:9 programs using VLC media player to crop and fill
my 16:9 screen.

When KCSM adds the letterbox and pillars and transmits the result in HD, I
just suffer through it as VideoReDo ($$) takes too much time and it reduces
the quality more as it is getting ready to burn a DVD anyway.

Post by J G Miller
If you bought a painting and it did not fit the frame you bought
from the store, would you trim the painting so that it fitted?

It depends, part of the painting might be all that I want on the wall.

I would like all the programs that were produced in 16:9 to be viewed in HD,
but the bandwidth is not there to do it. KQED tried during it's testing
phase to stuff way too much into one transmitter (Actually both perhaps, the
cut off of analog is now a distant memory) and the results were dismal.
Really horrible. They are sending all that they wish with HD programs sent
once or twice and then repeats letter boxed and pilloried over and over.

SHF

[J G Miller]

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
I am not seeing less but removing the letterbox on the SD stream. The
original 16:9 program is thus filling the entire 16:9 screen.
On the HD stream the original 16:9 program is both letter boxed and
pilloried

Sorry -- I misunderstood your original posting and understand what you mean now. ;)

I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format cannot be very good.

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
It depends, part of the painting might be all that I want on the wall.

It would still be an act of cultural vandalism.

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
I would like all the programs that were produced in 16:9 to be viewed in HD

Well of course, when the SD stations in North Amercia are 4:3 only.

Hopefully, dual transmission of the same program in HD and SD will
eventually end (economic reasons will no doubt be the major influencing
factor) and there will be HD only.

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by J G Miller
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format

pilloried?

y'all wanna look *that* one up.

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Hi,

Sure

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox

with a picture.

Letterbox also with a picture

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox

SHF

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by J G Miller
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format

pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

[LightByrd]

"Stephen H. Fischer" wrote in message news:zcGdnd-c-***@earthlink.com...

Hi,

Sure

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox

with a picture.

Letterbox also with a picture

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox

SHF

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by J G Miller
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format

pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

I think Elmo wanted you to look up the verb pillory and then look at its
past participle

--

Richard (AKA LightByrd)

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by Stephen H. Fischer

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by J G Miller
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format

pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

Hi,
Sure
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
with a picture.
Letterbox also with a picture
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox
SHF

no, you didn't look up the word J G used: "pilloried".

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Hi,

Oh YES I did.

But the answers were not germane to the HDTV discussion so then this search
was done:

http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox

Number seven down was the answer I was looking for. YMMV

Maybe one of the first original search answers applies to the person who
adopted the HDTV
terms.

SHF

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by Stephen H. Fischer

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by J G Miller
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format

pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

Hi,
Sure
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
with a picture.
Letterbox also with a picture
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox
SHF

no, you didn't look up the word J G used: "pilloried".

[LightByrd]

"Stephen H. Fischer" wrote in message news:***@earthlink.com...

Hi,

Oh YES I did.

But the answers were not germane to the HDTV discussion so then this search
was done:

http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox

Number seven down was the answer I was looking for. YMMV

Maybe one of the first original search answers applies to the person who
adopted the HDTV
terms.

SHF

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by Stephen H. Fischer

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by J G Miller
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format

pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

Hi,
Sure
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
with a picture.
Letterbox also with a picture
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox
SHF

no, you didn't look up the word J G used: "pilloried".

Then he should be pilloried!
--

Richard (AKA LightByrd)

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by Stephen H. Fischer

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by Stephen H. Fischer

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by J G Miller
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format

pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

Hi,
Sure
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
with a picture.
Letterbox also with a picture
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox
SHF

no, you didn't look up the word J G used: "pilloried".

Hi,
Oh YES I did.
But the answers were not germane to the HDTV discussion so then this search
http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox
Number seven down was the answer I was looking for. YMMV

Number seven showed "pilloried" used in the context of HDTV?

No, it didn't. And still doesn't.

Start at the beginning: look up "pilloried".

Oh hell, since you seem incapable of it, I'll do it for you--even using
the same search engine you used:

http://www.search.com/search?q=pilloried

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Hi,

You must remember that Google keeps track of your searches, I discovered
that while searching at a friends where I could not find what shows up when
searching at home. Search.com is owned by CBS as well as owning CNET, in the
beginning the CNET TV show had talent from local TV stations. I just stuck
with it as results were getting better and better.
---------------------------
Metasearch Search Engine - Search.com

Search the Web by searching the best engines from one place.


www.search.com - More from this site - Similar pages
[ Result from Google, Bing ]
----------------------------

So I am not surprised you do not get the same answers, note the YMMV. Your
search history is different.

I could use the wrong words, misspell them, still my searches got better. It
was not me, but the search engines.

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
But the answers were not germane to the HDTV discussion so then this search
http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox
Number seven down was the answer I was looking for. YMMV

Number seven showed "pilloried" used in the context of HDTV?
No, it didn't. And still doesn't.
Start at the beginning: look up "pilloried".
Oh hell, since you seem incapable of it, I'll do it for you--even using
http://www.search.com/search?q=pilloried

That gave me nothing about HDTV in the first 10 pages I looked at.

Can you unlock me now please.

Yes, I have seen pilloried so many times before in HDTV context discussion.

From my http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox run

---------------------------------------
pillarbox definition of pillarbox in the Free Online Encyclopedia.

... ratio, black bars are displayed at the left and right sides to make up
for the shorter width of the 4:3 frame. Contrast with letterbox. See HDTV
display modes.


encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.pillarbox - More from this site - Similar
pages
[ Result from Google ]
-------------------------------------
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by Stephen H. Fischer

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
http://www.search.com/search?q=pilloried

That gave me nothing about HDTV in the first 10 pages I looked at.

that's the whole POINT.

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Yes, I have seen pilloried so many times before in HDTV context discussion.

Really? You've seen "pilloried" used in the context of discussing HDTV?

Did you go look up "pilloried" in the dictionary? Did you get its
definition?

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.pillarbox - More from this site - Similar
pages
[ Result from Google ]
-------------------------------------
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox

Please tell us all, in what universe is "pilloried" the same thing as
"pillarbox"?

[meagain]

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.pillarbox - More from this site - Similar
pages
[ Result from Google ]
-------------------------------------
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox

Please tell us all, in what universe is "pilloried" the same thing as
"pillarbox"?

hae hea heh

[J G Miller]

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by J G Miller
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format

pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

I would prefer to use the term "pillarboxed" but at the time of posting
that just used the term used by the original poster -- obviously my
mistake was in not putting quotes around the phrase.

Funny how you did not complain about the original poster using the term ...

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

Post by J G Miller

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

I would prefer to use the term "pillarboxed" but at the time of posting
that just used the term used by the original poster -- obviously my
mistake was in not putting quotes around the phrase.
Funny how you did not complain about the original poster using the term ...

a) I didn't notice it the first time it was used

b) it's even WORSE for YOU to repeat the mistake DESPITE knowing it was
a mistake

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty

Post by J G Miller

Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
pilloried?
y'all wanna look *that* one up.

I would prefer to use the term "pillarboxed" but at the time of posting
that just used the term used by the original poster -- obviously my
mistake was in not putting quotes around the phrase.
Funny how you did not complain about the original poster using the term ...

a) I didn't notice it the first time it was used
b) it's even WORSE for YOU to repeat the mistake DESPITE knowing it was
a mistake

Doing (b) might be thought of as humor or irony.

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Post by Gene E. Bloch
Doing (b) might be thought of as humor or irony.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Hi,

I had those ideas in mind when I saw what came up.

My jokes fall flat often, he just wants to argue a point I do not care
about, I got pictures to help describe what my words failed to convey
initially.

SHF

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Hi,

Thinking more about the terms and checking the web pages, I made a error,
the statement:

"This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed and pillared (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations."

Should have been:

"This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations."

I repeated the error again.

Now, on AVS, I would have been able to edit the post and correct my error.

My bad. Sorry.

BUT!

------------------------------
letterbox
The effect of displaying a wide screen movie on a standard TV set the way it
was originally shot in full panoramic format. On the TV, the image frame
spans the full width of the screen, but because of the difference in aspect
ratios of the two formats (wide screen movie vs. more square TV screen), the
vertical height of the frame is reduced. The unused top and bottom areas of
the screen appear as black bars.
------------------------------

Note the words "standard TV". I am talking about a widescreen 16:9 DTV
displaying a HD signal. On a standard TV only the top and bottom black bars
remain with cropping to 4:3.

So, maybe I am right as first stated, or maybe we need a better term.

SHF

Post by Stephen H. Fischer

Post by Gene E. Bloch
Doing (b) might be thought of as humor or irony.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Hi,
I had those ideas in mind when I saw what came up.
My jokes fall flat often, he just wants to argue a point I do not care
about, I got pictures to help describe what my words failed to convey
initially.
SHF

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Stephen H. Fischer
Hi,
Thinking more about the terms and checking the web pages, I made a error,
"This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed and pillared (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations."
"This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations."
I repeated the error again.
Now, on AVS, I would have been able to edit the post and correct my error.
My bad. Sorry.
BUT!
------------------------------
letterbox
The effect of displaying a wide screen movie on a standard TV set the way it
was originally shot in full panoramic format. On the TV, the image frame
spans the full width of the screen, but because of the difference in aspect
ratios of the two formats (wide screen movie vs. more square TV screen), the
vertical height of the frame is reduced. The unused top and bottom areas of
the screen appear as black bars.
------------------------------
Note the words "standard TV". I am talking about a widescreen 16:9 DTV
displaying a HD signal. On a standard TV only the top and bottom black bars
remain with cropping to 4:3.
So, maybe I am right as first stated, or maybe we need a better term.
SHF

I see no reason not to extend the definition to HD. Certainly, when I
view video which is wider than 16:9, I get black bars top and bottom.
They're just not as high as the ones on a 4:3 set.

Anyway, the whole thing is such a mess that no one can avoid an
occasional stumble, so stop pillorying yourself :-)

[Stephen H. Fischer]

:) by ;o)

SHF

Post by Gene E. Bloch
Anyway, the whole thing is such a mess that no one can avoid an
occasional stumble, so stop pillorying yourself :-)
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[J G Miller]

Post by Gene E. Bloch
Doing (b) might be thought of as humor or irony.

Elmo does not "do" irony. ;)

["do" as in "recognise" for the irony-impaired]